Mike Sherman Interviews With The Bucs, The Old Ryan Grant Is Back, And Changes In The NFC North
by Brandon on Jan 4, 2012 7:02 AM CST
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PrintPackersnews.com | Green Bay Packers | Insiders Blog " Bucs to interview ex-Packers coach Sherman. Well, it's a low bar, but he'd be an upgrade over the Raheem Morris disaster in Tampa. He'd bring some experience, and some new life to a dull offensive scheme. But I would think this job would have some appeal and they should be able to find some stronger candidates.
I Was Completely Wrong About Ryan Grant | Cheesehead TV. The biggest thing holding Ryan Grant back this season was his lack of touches. Starks is more powerful, but he's never been a big play back. On the other hand, Grant has had a 47 yard touchdown run and an 80 yard touchdown reception in the past four games.
Big Changes Coming in 2012 for Packers' Rivals to the South | AllGreenBayPackers.Com. I'm not sure what the future holds for the Bears. Maybe the changes won't be too dramatic if Lovie Smith remains.
Thoughts as the Rick Spielman Era begins - NFC North Blog - ESPN. The Vikings had an unusual power sharing arrangement that gave their head coach (Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier) more power in the front office than a typical coach. In general, I don't think that's a good idea. Some coaches, such as Steve Spagnuolo, will prefer veterans over rookies, and leave a team like the Rams without a lot of talent in the pipeline after a disappointing season. But what exactly has Spielman done to earn the promotion?
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I like that you mention Grant being a big play back because that's what I see
He does get a physical yard or two when he’s tackled but he never breaks tackles or makes a huge shifty move to go around a situation a fond a hole or simply make guys miss. What he is allows him to be a big play back. He is certainly a one cut back and while not very shifty, he’s very good at planting his foot and making that cut. This not only allows him to get through the hole when there is one, but when he does get through a hole his style of getting out of the backfeild while he still can has gotten him into a second level and secondary that haven’t swarmed to the ball yet so they are spread out allowing hole. When there are in front of him, well, there’s only on direction Grant goes once he makes his cut.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
One of these days I'll get better about my typos
Thus typing things that can make sense
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 8:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kudos to Grant for his short catch and big run however,
I’ll stand by Starks as the best RB on the field for the Packers.The offense needs to have a fall forward guy and Grant isn’t it on any kind of regular basis.It’s great that he is able to bust one of these plays every now and then but the every now and then just isn’t as often and therefore is not the guy we need in this offense.Starks will keep a defense more honest than Gran consistantly.When a couple of hard yards are needed,there is no choice.
Save the highlight reel on Grant as this is IMO,his last hurrah(s) as a Packer.
Grant ALWAYS falls forward. He just never breaks tackles or makes guys miss
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
You talk out of your ass so much that I nearly automatically assume your posts are nonsense.
Which this one is. I’d say hitting the holes and cutback lanes, which Grant does well, are both more important than breaking tackles. His inability to break many tackles hurts him, to be sure, but it’s not like he just crumples when he’s hit a la Brandon Jackson.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No, he just gets lucky whenever he picks up a single yard!
/Grant hater’d
by mike_o on Jan 5, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He falls backwards like Hawk trying to tackle a RB!
Saine4StartingRB
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I still think Grant has more upside
over the next couple seasons than Starks. But not enough to justify his current salary staying at that level.
more upside?
no chance..Starks needs to stay healthy, but there is no way you can say Grant has more upside..one 80 yd catch does not mean he found the fountain of youth..i think a few games ago his longest play run on the season was like 8 yards or something ridiculous
by tmoneyttime1 on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Grant hasn't been sidelined with 3 ankle injuries this year.
That right there is an upside. No matter how good Starks is, he is no good to us on the sidelines.
by stratefaced on Jan 4, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sherman
I don’t see how Sherman is a good candidate in any way, but if Jeff Fisher can be called an “A list coach”, I guess that makes Mike Sherman a B+.
Jeff Fisher is a good coach
He’ll land somewhere & build a decent team.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sherman slowly eroded the talent of the team and only won 2 playoff games his entire time in GB despite having great talent.
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by TrevorR on Jan 4, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, this.
He had somewhat successful teams, but for the talent he had, he should have done much better than he did.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 4, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
/Norv Turner’d?
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sherman fielded teams that didn't have a lot of depth
and the result was, more than once, a team that was spent when it got to playoff time.
It all came to a head in 2005. Describing that as “one bad season” is a massive understatement. It was a full-on disaster, with Javon Walker, 2nd-round draft pick Terrence Murphy(*), Ahman Green, Najeh Davenport, and ultimately even Samkon Gado all finishing the season on IR.
Samkon Gado was the Packers leading rusher that year, in spite of only playing in 8 games. You need to go look at Gado’s career stats to appreciate how bad that was. Those 8 games represent nearly 60% of his career rushing yards.
(*) Murphy suffered a career-ending neck injury 3 games into the season
The Packers could’ve easily gone 2-13-1 or worse that season:
- The OT win against the Lions was a near thing, helped immensely by Samkon Gado’s career day, and a late face-mask penalty that got the Packers into field goal range for the clinching score
- And, of course, there was the W17 matchup angainst the #1-seeded Seahawks, who were content to rest their starters (once Sean Alexander got the rushing TD record). It’s a measure of how bad the Packers were that year, that they were barely able to pull out a win against the Seahawks 2nd- and 3rd-string guys.
and yet the Packers just beat the Lions playing second stringers at most important positions
how bad does that make the Lions?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Matt Flynn >>>> Seneca Wallace
Ryan Grant >>> Maurice Morris
I was at that game!
And, of course, there was the W17 matchup angainst the #1-seeded Seahawks, who were content to rest their starters (once Sean Alexander got the rushing TD record). It’s a measure of how bad the Packers were that year, that they were barely able to pull out a win against the Seahawks 2nd- and 3rd-string guys.
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Jeff Fisher is definetely an "A" list coach. I think most would agree with that as well.
Packers Season
The "A" list,a list of one or
are there others on it or is it because nobody else with decent previous experience wants to coach again other than Crennel, who I don’t think is being offered a job elsewhere or even in KC as yet.
Starks > Grant
Just because Grant has busted a couple big plays doesn’t mean he has more explosiveness than Starks. Starks is the RB of the future depending on his ability to stay healthy.
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But RIGHT NOW,
I think Grant is better.
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by TwoShoesMcGooze on Jan 4, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
FIRW JANE STORKS??
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 4:14 PM CST reply actions
You called?
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by arodgb on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I will say Starks and Kuhn are money for up to 10 yards
But Starks does too much dancing around and lacks awareness of the sticks. Many times he has an easy first down then tries to freeze a defender only to get swallowed up from behind. Grant being a one cut back gives him the benefit of decisiveness, same goes for Kuhn. Both Kuhn and Grant are better all purpose backs. I like the way it is with the two headed attack. I think we should try to keep it that way. I hope grant realizes he is on the way down so he’ll take a paycut so we can keep him around.
by ThaiPackersfan on Jan 4, 2012 4:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Rodgers4RB....
Flynn4QB?
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I offer...
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
But Starks does too much dancing around
NO. That was Brandon Jackson.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
You misspelled "falling down"
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha, that made me giggle.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I like Grant
He makes a decision and goes. Starks does too much dancing around and plays take too long to develop.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 4, 2012 6:17 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Ryan Grant
I think that Grant still has the skills and talent to be the 1200-yard back that he was before he was injured. He’s had some bad games this year, but he’s not had a lot of opportunity until the last few games. He may only have another 1-2 years left of 1000-yard ability, but he isn’t finished.
I think that Starks also has a similar ability. He has also had some bad games, though he has shown enough that I’m certain that as a feature back he could get 1200+ yards in a year – if MM went back to a featured back and ran the ball a little more.
I find both backs to be similar: big, strong guys with some straight-line speed who can break tackles. Neither is particularly shifty, or quick.
Shifty or quick...
Oh my… Starks is much more shifty than Grant! IMO, its not even close… Both are generally big, strong and break some tackles (tho I think Starks breaks more) and have similar speed, but Starks has alot more small area elusiveness than Grant. Grant truly is a straight line guy, but Starks has much better shiftiness to his game. That alone makes Starks the more talented of them!
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More talented, maybe
Better results? No. Starks takes way too long to make a decision a lot of times. This costs the Packers valuable yards and forces passing situations (not that that’s anything we can’t overcome lol). But the defenses know that, too. If it wasn’t for the fact that we have the best QB in the league, this would be a much more glaring issue.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think Grant pretty much was lucked into his big plays. I don’t think Starks is any less decisive than Grant. Grant runs up the back of his OL far too often for my liking cuz he doesn’t have any change of direction ability. THat costs alot more yards than anything Starks does.
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Oh jeez...
Going so far as to say Grant is better than Starks? Really?
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
I'm not even going to bother with you.
Why your blood boils every time Grant plays well, I’ll never know (or anybody else, for that matter). Just whatever.
UMADBRO?!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 5, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
they are very different actually
Grant is a one cut back who’s more decisive and has better vision.
Starks is far more powerful, and is also much more shifty. But he’s also hesitant and often doesn’t hit the hole as hard as he should.
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