The Green Bay Model Of Roster Building
Hello Green Bay fans - first off, congrats on your season thus far and good luck in the playoffs. The success Green Bay is having is definitely not lost on us over here in the Northwest, especially considering our current GM, John Schneider, had a small (maybe large?) role in building the team now dominating the National Football League. He, at least, learned the M.O. in which Ted Thompson operates, and with that in mind, and knowing that John Schneider has brought, and will continue to bring large parts of the roster building and cap management philosophy he learned/helped to develop in Green Bay to Seattle, we've endeavored to study that model over at Field Gulls.
I wanted to share some of our research with you, because the model TT uses is actually very interesting and probably fairly cutting-edge. You probably already have an good idea of how it works but one of our writers, Davis Hsu, has broken it down in amazing detail, providing graphs and charts to illustrate how Ted Thompson has gone about building one of the youngest and most talented teams in the NFL.
Please take a look and let me know what you think - and Part IV is what we published today, and is sort of the kicker! Thanks guys/gals/cheeseheads.
The Green Bay Model and its Influence on John Schneider Part I - Field Gulls
John Schneider took the call he was looking for.
The Green Bay Model & its Influence On John Schneider Part II - Field Gulls
Why am I studying another franchise besides the Seahawks? Why have I purchased books on the Pittsburgh Steelers and plan on purchasing books on the Baltimore Ravens and other franchises? Why have I downloaded articles and studied the Green Bay roster on www.packers.com? Why?
The Green Bay Model & its Influence On John Schneider Part III - Field Gulls
A continuing look at Green Bay's roster building model and how it relates to the Seahawks.
The Green Bay Model & its Influence On John Schneider Part IV - Field Gulls
A continuing look at the Green Bay model of roster building, the culture and identity it creates, and the implications for this Seattle franchise.
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That's a really good series you put together over there.
I think it hits the nail on the head for what TT philosophy is and how he uses that to get the best out of each player. I know some Packer fans have gotten frustrated at times by the lack of FA signings, but reading those articles might help them understand why they don’t go after big name FA’s.
I think the biggest challenge for Seattle is going to be finding the talent to fit their system and then building the depth behind it. I think this is where GB excels above most teams in that if a player goes down, it’s generally not a huge step down in talent for the person filling in.
Overall, I think Seattle’s on the right track. They already have a pretty good defense, but I think what they are missing is a good QB. I think they should definitely take a look at bringing in Matt Flynn, even though it wouldn’t exactly fit the model they’re building. If Flynn is indeed as good as he’s shown here, I think you guys would immediately become a major challenger in the NFC.
Packers' Magic Numbers:
Clinch Division = DONE!!!
Clinch 1st Rd Bye = DONE!!!
Clinch Homefield = DONE!!!
Thanks, appreciated!
And yes, agreed, one of the main things that’s been apparent and exciting as Seahawks fans this past season is that even when we experienced major injuries to starting players, the young guys stepped up and played well enough to keep the ball rolling. In some cases, they played as well, if not better than the guy in front of them that got hurt. The building of depth and the youth movement here are exciting and kind of what made us look into this model.
As for Flynn, I wouldn’t be surprised if we enter into talks with him once FA starts.
I've been following this series and it's been awesome
It’s really detailed and informative. BTW, I love the Seahawks secondary.Your secondary is the prototype needed in the new NFL to defend against the Gronk/Megatron type receivers creating havoc every Sunday.
Great,Great,Great Article(s)
I always called FA a cesspool of anothers waste.You have literally cleaned that version up for me and reinforced my nose squeezing at the mere mention of FA.
I will look forward to reading everything you write.
by Tarynfor12 on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for posting this over here, Danny.
I’m really not too good at checking other SB Nation sites for articles and these are well put together.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Yeah, this is a terrrific series . . .
although there’s no such thing as winning forever. There are certainly ways of preventing your franchise from hitting the kind of wall that the Colts have, a way of maximizing returns on investment, and so forth.
For example, if you’re a player entering a contract year with the Packers, and you’re not headed into that “legacy” class of player, you can still be pretty sure that other teams will be willing to award you a reasonable contract because you come from that system. However that expectation requires that there be buyers who will pay more for your services than the Packers think that they’re worth. If many teams begin to adopt the philosophy laid out here, that becomes less sustainable.
In short, the Packers’ team-building philosophy relies on other franchises’ lack of discipline to some extent. Can that always be counted on? Maybe, but even Warren Buffet might have a bad year.
wow
Nice work. I’ve always thought of Seattle as GB west, which is why I was glad to see them taking some players from the vikings years ago! haha
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
because of Hasselbeck and Holmgren?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Love it
you guys did a LOT of research
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Something not mentioned much
We all know that The Packer model or rather the Thompson model involves a very exhaustive search for talent. Thompson himself spends as much or more time on the road as other teams scout and much more time than other teams GM’s. He literally leaves no stone unturned when it comes to finding talent. WHats not mentioned at all here and probably very little on the article over at Field Gulls, that its a Draft and Develop model. The reason the Packers are so successful when reserves are thrust into a position on the field is not just that Thompson finds talent, but that the coaches are very involved in developing the talents of the young player to the fullest and to fit the skills they will need in the NFL and in particular in the Packers Schemes. As great as Thompson is at drafting and finding talent, McCarthy and the coaching staff are equally great at Developing that talent into quality players!
Its the combination of the Thompson model of keeping the roster stocked w/ talent that can fit the Packers schemes and McCarthy and the coaches molding those players into productive, quality player w/in the Packers schemes. That doesn’t happen by chance and the Packer do the Draft and Develop Model as well as any team in the NFL!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
by Strohman on Jan 4, 2012 7:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Very good point. Interesting.
And when I think about it, it’s something that John Schneider also mentions in pressers a lot – their ‘confidence in the coaching staff to coach guys up and get them ready to play’ and that’s a big reason they take so much care in their mid-late round picks. Good call.
Another hazard of bulding a team via FA
Is, to be blunt, these guys are usually pretty old. If you look at the Packers 1996 roster, a lot of key players on that team were gone in just a few years, mostly because they were near the end of their careers (either because of age or injury).
Notable depeartures include:
- Reggie White (DE retired after one more year with the Panthers)
- Keith Jackson (TE retired)
- Ken Ruettgers (T retired midseason)
- Chris Hentrich (P FA, was with Titans through 2009)
- Chris Jacke (K FA)
- Don Beebe (WR, retired)
- Edgar Bennett (RB FA)
- Eugene Robinson (DB FA)
- Mike Prior (DB retired)
- Robert Brooks (WR one season with Broncos, then retired)
- Sean Jones (DB retired)
- Wayne Simmons (left Packers after 96, retired after 98)
Craig Newsome, too!
I loved that guy.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Or wait, he was a pick. Maybe I was thinking of Doug Evans.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Yeah, 6th round in 1993
pro-football-reference.com is a great resource for stuff like that. Here’s there page that has the roster for the 1996 Packers.
W/o looking it up...
I think he went to La Tech… Same as Tramon! And I did know 6th rd…
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
Craig Newsome was another guy who left shortly after 96,
but I was trying to limit the list to guys that retired/left via FA.
I don’t remember what happened to him. He busted up his knee in 97 (PFR shows he only played one game) and then after 98, got traded (according to wikipedia) to the 49ers, dressed for 7 more games, and then called it a career.
I couldn’t find anything specific about why he retired so early, but it’s not hard to make a guess that his knee was never the same again.

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