NFL MVP: Brees vs Rodgers

This isn’t a huge discrepancy, it only equates to 2.85 more touchdowns for Rodgers on a 150 game season

should be 150 possession season.

You’ve proven that the two players have had similar overall seasons, so let’s get down to the nitty-gritty: strength of victory.

Opponents’ overall record for Packers victories (Rodgers starts): 100-124 (.446)
Opponents’ overall record for Saints victories (Brees starts): 92-116 (.442)

It doesn’t look like a lot, percentage-wise, even when you throw out the losses to the opponent being discussed:

Rodgers: 100-110 (.476)
Brees: 92-103 (.472)

Yup, ‘bout the same there, too. I’m pretty sure you can delve as deeply as you’d like into the numbers and you’d discover that it’s a close race with Rodgers holding a minor edge in average stats and Brees having an edge in overall stats. To hell with it – call it a wash and let the pro writers figure out who the NFL should present the trophy/ribbon/gimp mask to at their new awards show before the SB and move on.

well done

Rec’d.

I can’t wait to see what will happen if the ruckus that happened in the “asterisk” thread comes here after seeing this.

Rodgers for MVP!

…should be 15-1>13-3.

Nice job. Although, this won’t convince any Saints fans. They are simply not rational and logical when it comes to this subject, and I don’t really blame them. Once again, their QB has an amazing season (and sets a major record) and he is unlucky enough to be edged out by an even better season. Brees just cannot catch a break with the MVP.

I’d been thinking about how it took Brees more attempts to reach his yardage record, and it probably meant Rodgers was more efficient. You’ve reinforced that theory in detail.

Unfortunately I expect the MVP voters will look at two things: 1) the yardage record, 2) win/loss record. That makes it a tie, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the award went either way.

If it was really important how players did on a per attempt basis, then Jordy Nelson would be starting in the Pro Bowl. He had over 13 yards per pass attempt which blows away all of the other 1000 yard receivers. His 15 touchdowns on only 96 targets is amazing. Not to take anything away from Calvin Johnson, who’s the best receiver in the NFL, but it took him 62 more targets to get 16 touchdowns.

Can you possible come up with any more voodoo math stats that will push this whole thing in Rodgers favor
I truely think for the sake of ya’lls sanity this week needs to move on and get to your game week

I appreciate all the work everyone has done in doing the research but it seems like a dead horse is really getting abused here. And these threads are really breaking down into Saints vs. Packer fans arguing semantics over and over again.

Between the article at CSC recently and the two here in the past few days, any thread with MVP in the title just seems to turn into a flame war.

TD’s and interceptions per pass attempt. They are 2 of the 4 numbers that are taken into calculating QB rating, and I think it shows how much more efficient Rodgers was.

Brees – .07 TDs per attempt and .019 Ints per attempt
Rodgers – .089 TDs per attempt and .011 Ints per attempt

Brees had more pass attempts, possessions and actual time on the field than Rodgers. BUT what I think separates the two the most is who they targeted. For us Packer fans, we know that Rodgers/ the Packers try the throw the ball down the field all game long and rarely throw to our check downs. Brees on the other hand loves to pass to his running backs. Below is a comparison of the two.

Aaron Rodgers threw 72 times to his running backs for 548 yards for an average of 7.72% per reception.

Drew Brees through 158 times to his running backs for 1231 yards for an average of 7.79% per reception.

The difference is 86 reception and 683 yards.

So its easy to see that Brees passed to his running backs more than twice as much as Rodgers passed to his.

Fine, I will. 7-4 as a starter (7-1 before all that bad stuff happened)

if the Packers insisted on playing for stats and running the score up. Especially since everyone was so upset early in the year with McCarthy basically shutting down the offense for the entire 2nd half of so many early games

Rodgers deserves it. He did just as much as Brees but did it more efficiently. He just didn’t make all that many mistakes this season, and we rolled directly because of it. I understand the argument for Brees and his numbers but I think the fact that we jumped up to such big leads in some of our games this season has to be taken into account when looking at the stats.

Votes are already in, unless y’all want to start a thread everyday about how each member of the press voted.

Here is how two voted:
Pete Prisco, MVP Arron Rodgers
Peter King, MVP Arron Rodgers

The bottom line is all of the stats mean squat, and our opinion doesn’t matter. But by all means please continue to argue amongst yourselves.

Both sides have very good points. And since we can’t split the award in half, and then secretly be watching which QB shows the most consternation at this judgement, and therefore give the MVP award to him, because he is the real father, I have a perfectly cromulent solution.

Brees will be awarded the Offensive player of the year award and the Humanitarian Award, and 7 runner up votes for the Lady Bing for purely cosmetic resume purposes.

Tebow will awarded the Madden cover, so we never have to hear from him again.

Rodgers will be awarded the super bowl MVP.

Gronkowski can have the regular season MVP because who cares.

between the two. Is it really that much of a wash?