Rodgers and Woodson Named First Team All-Pro, John Kuhn Named Second Team
by Brandon on Jan 6, 2012 6:00 PM CST
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PrintAP All-Pro First Team Includes Aaron Rodgers; Drew Brees On Second Team - SBNation.com. Green Bay Packers FB John Kuhn made the second team All-Pro because he scored six touchdowns on the season (which is pretty impressive for a full back).
Aaron Rodgers and Charles Woodson were named first team All-Pro. Rodgers has just completed the best regular season of his NFL career. Woodson is still a big-time playmaker and a leader on the defense, but his selection was all about his league leading seven interceptions.
According to Pro Football Talk, there were a few other players who received votes. Jordy Nelson, Bryan Bulaga, Scott Wells, B.J. Raji, and Clay Matthews.
However Matthews is a good case for why this popularity contest is focused too much on the glamorous stats. He was named first team All-Pro in 2010 because he had 13.5 sacks. In 2011 he only had 6 sacks, but he was just as disruptive as a pass rusher. He even improved in other areas with 3 forced fumbles (2 in 2010), 3 interceptions (1 in 2010), and 9 pass defenses (4 in 2010). While not everyone ahead of him at outside linebacker had more recorded stats in those three categories, he had half as many sacks as the four guys ahead of him. While Suggs and Ware each received over 40 votes, Matthews only had 2 votes, which was one more vote than Raji received.
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I’ve heard people use good arguments, that suggest BJ Raji has been the worst NT in the league this year. It boggles my mind how he made the Pro Bowl, and got a vote for All-Pro. Maybe I’m missing something, or maybe he’s just getting double/triple teamed more. Someone wanna help me out?
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Seriously
He looks fatter.
Not trying to be mean, but he looks a lot bigger.
by Acme on Jan 6, 2012 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But he's a media darling!
State Farm and ESPN love him. Maybe the vote came from a publicist.
On a serious note, he was being overused for much of the season, and he’s constantly drawing double teams because no one else on the defensive line is a threat. They need to find another Cullen Jenkins to play alongside him.
by Brandon on Jan 7, 2012 2:05 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh shit...
is that State Farm commercial on TV!? I’ve only seen the ARod one around here. That’s sweet! They need to air that one!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 7, 2012 4:17 AM CST up reply actions
Raji dance = so seductive.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I don't buy the double team argument
He was double teamed last year as well. Suh gets double teamed, he still was disruptive. Suh just had a bad year. Sure some of it might be due to the loss of Jenkins but its still mostly on him.
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Alot of it is due to the loss of Jenkins
With Jenkins and Raji and Clay on the field, at least one good pass rusher was single teamed. Without Jenkins, Raji and Clay are double teamed and no one else is taking advantage of the single blocking.
This is not to imply that Raji is playing as well as last year, as he is not. But he is playing well in the run game, the main function of a 34 NT.
NT
Raji hasn’t played much NT this year. Thats been Pickett the vast majority of the time when they play 34. When they go nickel, Raji is just a DT, not a NT. IMO, they need to go back to playing Raji at NT and playing more base 34 D. Tho Pickett is better at eating up blockers Raji at the NT spot can get penetration, instead of just tying up blockers, and can disrupt the run plays in that manner. We’ll see what Capers decides in the offseason, but personally I would put Raji back at NT.
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by Strohman on Jan 7, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Raji seems to be better suited to the NT position. Looking ahead, the best scenario would be to have Raji at NT, Pickett at DT and use a Matt Flynn trade to draft another DT beast in the 1st round. They must put more pressure on the QB and it all starts at the D-line.
Matt Flynn's a free agent.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 8, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
He can be tagged,
and traded.
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Hope so...
But I think thats a little unlikely given that they will likely need the Franchise for Finley. And tagging Flynn would mean 14M tied up in the salary cap until he is traded, which could cost us Wells and/or Finley. I expect he’ll leave as a FA and we’ll get a 3rd rd compensatory pick, unfortunately.
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Although, overpaying a little on Finley to secure him wouldn’t be all that bad if it meant we were able to sign and trade Flynn.
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I agree w/ that...
I think Finley is easilly worth top 5 TE money. Even if his numbers don’t show it, his impact on the offense is huge.
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by Strohman on Jan 8, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The cap won't count against us as long as we trade him
We can be over the cap as long as we’re under it come cutdown day.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 8, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And tagging Flynn would mean 14M tied up in the salary cap until he is traded,
Like I said, until he is traded… And during the offseason, the top what 58 must be under the cap. Its not like there is no cap just cuz its the offseason.
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Rule of 51
They’ll have plenty of cap space with Grant/Wells/Finley/Bush/Walden/Green all coming off the books (and probably Driver/Clifton). Shouldn’t be an issue, especially if the deal is done before other teams can sign our players (we could use the franchise tag on Finley, then, once Flynn is traded).
I don’t think it’s likely we’ll do a tag & trade, but if we don’t, it won’t be due to cap concerns.
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Tag
Can only tag ONE player per yr. Either Finley or Flynn, not both… Is it 51? I was thinking more players, not less. Whatever… Can’t tag both Finley and Flynn, it’s one or the other! Flynn is 2nd best at QB, Finley is by far the best at TE, and is in the plans long term, whereas Flynn is not and hasn’t been. It will probably be due to cap concerns IMO. THe 50th and 51st players are probably close to min wage deals, and not a couple Million guys. They can’t carry Flynn at 14M and have a good chance at signing Finley and Wells. They would have to trade Flynn as soon as FA started or risk losing one or both of Finley or Wells.
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only one at a time.
and they could trade him before FA hits.
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I don’t think they get the tag back after trading him. In fact, using the tag to sign and trade a player is a little sketchy per league rules so we have to be careful with what we do.
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I think it's very unlikely we do that
We’re not the Patriots.
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Vanden Bosch is overrated
Avril is beast though
football does not build character, it reveals character.
That is a million times better than the one with just Rodgers.
Why has this not been aired over and over again?
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Raji...
Raji: Fatigue…we WAAAAY overused the big fella these past 2 seasons…Lot of snaps
Mathew: over the past x amount of weeks (heard this on the radio), he is 2nd in QB pressures and hits (to Cameron Wake, Dolphins). over the past 6 weeks, I think they said.
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Lack of "glamorous stats" may have kept Clay out
but a preponderance of “glamorous stats” sure didn’t help Jordy get in.
I mean, he has 15 receiving TDs – 2nd among all WRs. 3rd place among WRs is Laurent Robinson’s 9.
Wes Welker, Larry Fitzgerald, and Victor Cruz had 9, 8, and 9, and they’re all-pros. Of the 4 all-pro (1st and 2nd team, including Calvin Johnson), only Cruz had a higher YPC, by 0.1 yards.
Some concern with Mathews...
I know he has been dinged for most of this year & he has gotten more attention from teams, but if you take away his fast start last year (what was it, 8 sacks the first 3 games?) he has a grand total of 11.5 sacks over the past 29 games. Basically comes out to six sacks a season.
I just don’t think he is the pure DeMarcus Ware type pass rusher I imagine him to be, a guy who will average 15+ a season. We really need a pure pass rusher on this team. Mathews has a tremendous motor and can get pressure, but guys like Ware draw lots of attention too and they still get high sacks. Mathews is just not the guy.
Gifted and arguably the best all around OLB when you factor in pass coverage. Great football DNA and instincts. But probably an 8-10 sack guy per year, at best.
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he's not a pure pass rusher
but he’s a much more complete player than an OLB like Demarcus Ware. Ware is one dimensional, Matthews can do a lot of things effectively, including rush the passer.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
yeah lets remove three games
he just needs someone on the other side to take off the double teams. Jenkins was a beast last year.
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Damn, I miss going 13-3 with Jenkins last year
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13-3?
Pack was 10-6 last year! Would expect a Packer fan, least a real one, to know that!
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Also, um
47.5 to 2.5?
I think we know who the 2011 NFL MVP is. Didn’t expect that much of a landslide. How does it work though if one player gets all 50 votes? Who is 2nd team?
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 6, 2012 9:23 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Noone.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
What happened during Brady's record-setting year?
Did Favre get one All-Pro vote as well?
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Pretty sure he got an MVP vote....
so that one wasn’t unanimous, which was kind of ridiculous considering last year Brady got it with unanimous voting and he did far better in ’07. But ya know how shit works…
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 8, 2012 3:39 AM CST up reply actions
Clay Matthews III
What the men (stat-heads) don’t know, the little girls (opposing OCs) all understand
Baby, he’s a backdoor man.
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I don't have a problem...
with Clay only getting a few votes. This is a what have you done for me lately and Clay had a down year. Sure he got some pressures but he wasn’t the same Clay and he didn’t deserve to get an All Pro vote this year. I am actually happy he didn’t make it based on his play this year, I hate it when players get in based on their name (I’m looking at you Fitzgerald). Clay still had a decent year, but not an all pro. For some reason when it benefits us, sacks become a “glamor stat” but they certainly weren’t last year when we were trying to argue why he should be MVP.
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They can go ahead and piss him off as far as I'm concerned.
I bet there’s only 1 – 2 teams that use a 3-4 who wouldn’t take him over either of the guys they’re running out there.
These lists are always more than a little off. They notice risers a year late and fallers a year too early, and even accounting for that they don’t really get it right. Woodson’s a good example. He’s not exactly having a great year, but he’s finding ways to be productive. If he were actually playing a traditional CB position (like T. Williams is) I’m pretty comfortable saying he’d be having a pretty bad year, but Capers has him playing hybridized slot CB/safety/LB responsibilities that maximizes the impact of Woodson’s intelligence and instincts while somewhat minimizing his now limited speed. Some folks around the league have been calling for Woodson to move to safety, but I think Capers has done a good job of finding ways to get production out of him without moving him away from the line of scrimmage they way he’d likely have to do if he was playing safety.
I honestly think this might be Capers best performance as a defensive coordinator in Green Bay. That sounds funny given all the yards they’ve given up, but there isn’t a guy in the front 7 (except maybe Pickett) who’s playing as well as he did last year, yet Capers has found a way to get his unit in the middle of the pack in scoring defense and finish the regular season 15-1. The defense might prevent GB from winning the title this year, but if they do it won’t be Capers fault, in my opinion. I just hope that Thompson finds a way to get the guy some help in the 2012 offseason. He needs it.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 7, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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