Packers 2012 Free Agents: Pat Lee
by Brandon on Feb 10, 2012 1:01 PM CST
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PrintThere is only one unrestricted free agent for the Green Bay Packers that I haven't written about yet. In the 2008 draft, GM Ted Thompson traded out of the first round and back into the second. With their own pick still in hand, and an additional one from the Browns acquired in the Corey Williams trade, the Packers now had three second round choices. The first one was a great success (Jordy Nelson). The second one was a colossal bust (Brian Brohm). And the third hasn't been a great success, but he's been on the roster ever since: CB Pat Lee.
That was a pretty modest haul for three second round picks, but at least they did manage to find Jermichael Finley in the third round.
The scouts saw something in Lee, and it looked like he could play man coverage in the NFL. He played a little in his rookie season before a knee injured landed him on I.R. A preseason knee injury ended the 2009 campaign before it could even begin. He didn't play much upon his return in 2010, but he replaced Sam Shields for a while during the Super Bowl and he wasn't a liability.
It probably says a lot about him that while the secondary was falling apart last season he was still never able to crack the rotation. He played in all 16 games on special teams, and only recorded 10 tackles for the season. He barely held onto his roster spot entering the 2011 season, but I can't imagine they'll be asking him to return in 2012.
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Buh-bye, Pat!
If Davon House doesn’t pull a Mike Neal, then we already have a replacement.
by mike_o on Feb 10, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Were I a GM…
If I were confident I could find (or already had) someone better, he’s gone. If I weren’t confident I could fill out my depth chart with a better player, I’d resign him to a minimum. Again, if I sign him and then cut him in camp, no harm no foul – and little if any cap space used.
What the Packers do will be telling on how talented they think he is or is likely to become.
I say let him go. He has been pretty unimpressive for a 2nd round pick, n we still have Davon House and Brandian Ross developing as potential backups. Jarrett Bush is practically guaranteed a roster spot since the coaches love him so much, so they probably draft a cb late to compete for a spot.
by Katsuya89 on Feb 10, 2012 2:04 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Guessing.
Lee is not as good as Bush as either a ST player or a CB, but my guess is that they will let Bush leave and promote Lee into the ST role that Bush held and as a depth CB. I think House will be the #4 CB this season w/ Lee as the #5 CB and ST ace. Certainly not as good as Bush on ST but he is a pretty good ST guy and could get alot better. Won’t matter at CB as long as House is as good as I think he can be. So the Packers will let Bush leave in FA and save the 2M or so extra that Bush would cost and sign Lee to a minimum deal for a vet.
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I was actually thinking something similar, he isn’t a great ST player (no returns from him please) but as a gunner/coverage he was always around the ball and complemented Bush well. I’m not an expert on ST though.
Overall, depending on what available in the draft, I think he could be back for the vets minimum- strictly given one more year to earn a roster spot through ST or backup cb. If he doesn’t show anything through training camp I think he’s gone.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 10, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
I usually agree with ya on most levels...
I say let them both go… Think a hungry UDFA could replace either Bush or Lee… : )
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What happens to ST then?
2 of our best ST guys gone in one year. It might be like the disaster that happened when Tracy White left and our ST competence with it. Keep one, not both, for some ST continuity.
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Sorry Stroh ~ I just think any recent college graduate can fly down the field on Punts & KO's...
ST are very important… True… But, if you can’t cover a punt or KO… I don’t think they should make an NFL Roster!! It’s not rocket science… It’s Gunner on ST!! Surely we can find two guys that can run and tackle… TT is suppose to be a personnel genius… I trust him…
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Its not that easy
Gunners have to beat a jam, typically consisting of two players, and then run down the field and make a tackle. I know some networks show a replay of what gunners have to fight through in order to make a play.
It’s a tired and old cliche, but special teams are a 1/3 of the game. You need special teams players just like you need offensive and defensive players, and they just don’t grow on trees. If so, then returns for TD’s or long gains should be nonexistent. Why do you think Chicago’s special teams unit is consistently one of the best? It’s because they keep their special teams aces, because they aren’t a dime a dozen.
Why do you think Chicago’s special teams unit is consistently one of the best? It’s because they keep their special teams aces, because they aren’t a dime a dozen.
I think Chicago actually plays some of it starters on special teams — or at least on punt/kick returns. But yeah, they aren’t a dime dozen.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 11, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Even if STs were 1/3 of the game (they're not, based on # of snaps)
the turnover in players on the field compared to offense & defense is much higher.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
ST's play a big role
Alot of games are won or lost because of field position. And keeping your special team’s ace is one way to keep your unit good. The rest of the special teams players are almost interchangeable.
Not that big of a role
How horrible were the ST last year? And didn’t the year end with us hoisting the Lombardi Trophy?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Took Bush bout 3 years to become a quality ST guy.
I know some of it is just heart and desire, but its just not that easy to find guys that excel at it. I expect House will get a crash course as a gunner and any DB we draft will also, but I would keep Bush or Lee. Lee is most likely IMO cuz he’ll demand alot less than Bush.
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Wow... 3 years of development to become a ST guy...??? Excellent investment...
I’m with packallday555 ~ FIRE SLOCUM!! lol
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Took Jordy 3 yrs to develop as a WR.
Nobody is complaining about that. I know it seems like ST shouldn’t be that difficult to learn, but everyone progresses at their own rate.
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Another reason we should've drafted Jordy at #56 instead of #36! : )
Didn’t take Calais Campbell or Matt Forte 3 years to develop! : )
You know I’m just twisting your tail, but, there are always two ways to look at everything! WR’s take longer to develop…
ST aces shouldn’t take 3 years to develop… Period! Bush was a case of it’s the only thing he could do well, so instead of cutting him, they let him do the one thing he could do… Time to let him go and invest the time and effort into someone who has multiple talents… Just my opinion…
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RB have the easiest transition to the NFL.
Campbell blosssomed last year, and then stepped up more this year. So about the same as Jordy, since Jordy was breaking out late in the season in ’10.
I’m not saying it has to take 3 years for anyone to develop… Just that everyone needs to be allowed to develop at their own rate. I’ve been saying its time Bush moves on this year. Mostly cuz I think the Packers have a better CB option in House and Lee, while not as good on ST, is pretty good and alot cheaper.
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I'm pretty sure those returns during week 17 did him in here in green bay.
a terrible replacement for a good returner, I was calling for his head after the safety incident. If he makes it back, might as well make him a starter and see what he’s worth…
Bush will fairly expensive I think. Lee will be gone, but we’ve still got Woodson, Williams, Shields and House on the roster. I think that’s a good core we can build on IF we start playing tighter to the line of scrimmage and hopefully Collins will be perfectly healthy. I’d hate to have him come back only to get hurt even worse.
Lee isn't going to be in GB for his return (non)ability...
But he is a good gunner in the mold of Bush. Assuming House is the #4 CB next year, Lee only makes the Packers as a ST ace, and thats not including him doing returns. He is alot less expensive than Bush, so I see Lee staying and Bush moving on.
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
exactly, to the fans, the returns were pretty terrible, but I don’t think the coaching staff has any intentions of putting him back there for a return in any meaningful situation.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 10, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not impressed
His play is close to the worst I have seen, bring one of the young guys in a cut this guy.
by I bleed green more on Feb 10, 2012 6:06 PM CST reply actions
Shown the Door...
With the amount of depth at CB for the draft, you’d think TT would draft a couple, maybe between 3rd-5th rounds, show Lee the door, and serve notice to the"proclaimed" Special Teams must have Jarrett Bush… Competition should only help encourage him to learn!
Funny you should mention that...
We took Jordy @ 36… Supposably BPA… We could’ve had:
Dustin Keller, Eddie Royal, Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Calais Campbell, Tracy Porter, Kenny Phillips, or Brandon Flowers…
I seriously find it hard to believe that Jordy Nelson was rated higher than any of the above mentioned players… I like Jordy, but, Matt Forte or Calais Campbell… Come on man…
@ 56 we took Brohm and could’ve had RB Kevin Smith…
@ 60 we took Pat Lee and could’ve had RB Jamaal Charles…
Hope our scouting dept and TT have a better grasp of this years draft class…
Goodbye Pat… Good Luck!
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good analysis,
But a terrible argument. If anything, this illustrates the hit-or-miss nature of the draft. If we could draft in hindsite, the Pack wouldn’t have had a chance at Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, or any number of players. In reality, TT’s model is pretty good. Take &extend what turns out, cut your losses (Pat Lee).
by Anthony Dilweg on Feb 10, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TT isn't Wolf
TT is not Wolf. Wolf was quicker to get rid of guys. TT will cut the utterly worthlesss guys, but hangs on to some marginal/so-so guys for mysterious reasons. The Hawk extension was a head scratcher, as is the roster slot alloted to Lee.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Feb 10, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Different systems
Rate people differently. Calais Campbell really wasn’t a fit in the traditional 4-3 we were running at the time. The same year we got Jordy was the same year we got Finley. Maybe we were targeting him all along, a reason not to take Keller? And Dustin Keller isn’t the same match up problem as Finley or Nelson. You’d rather have Eddie Royal over Jordy Nelson too? And for those corners, I remember us having two very good starting corners at that time, and a young and developing Tramon Williams. Similar situation with Rice and Forte, Grant was just coming off of a good season in 2007.
And are you saying you would rather have one of those other guys rather than Jordy? You do realize he was second in the league in TD receptions, right?
But his point about BPA stands
I agree that the Packers didn’t really need cornerbacks or a 4-3 guy just as they were switching to a 3-4, but if you’re going to argue that, you can’t really say that TT is a BPA guy.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Feb 10, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NFL teams rate differently...
than the media guys rate them. The media guys rank them for how they think they will perform in the NFL when put in the best possible position in a scheme that best fits them. THe NFL teams rate players for how they will fit their schemes. There is a Big difference sometimes. Teams that run the Tampa 2 will rate CB alot differently than a team that plays press coverage. Tampa 2 LB, don’t necessarily fit in a 34 D. Same w/ OL. Teams that play a power run game, don’t rate OL the same as teams that use the zbs.
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That is very true Stroh... I still say that for a team that professes to be a BPA Team,
Jordy Nelson was not the BPA at the time he was drafted… I’m not even saying TT was wrong for drafting him… I’m saying he wasn’t the BPA… Simple as that…
He may have been the best player available for the Packers Future, or BPA that had some KO Return experience, or BPA that had the highest ceiling… But… He wasn’t the Best Available Player Period… IMO…
I’m sure TT had a very good reason for targeting him… Jordy is awesome… and as pointed out above by Shoes31, he was 2nd in the league in TD receptions…
But, we put him in the position to make those TD catches… If we wouldn’t have drafted Jordy, someone else would’ve been in the position to make those catches… (James Jones?)
I’m just throwing out random thoughts… Things to discuss… Have a great weekend!
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The fallacy here, Brent, is
for a team that professes to be a BPA Team,
The Packers, and TT, do not profess, nor have thet ever professed, to draft strictly, purely, ‘Best Available Player Period’.
That is what the media and the fans have blown it out of proportion to be.
The reality is that BPA is merely the foundation for Mr. Thompson’s strategy, for which he has, and often exercises, continfencies; nothing more than the better alternative to a ‘drafting for need’ based philosophy, (because, as TT has said, needs change, and he has to build the whole team, not just certain positions).
And, Jordy is a great example of that!
In 2008, when the Packers’ slot came up in the first round, Thompson didn’t have whoever was his best rated available player rated that high, so he sought better value by finding a willing trade partner to trade out of the first round, got more picks (out of a finite pool of them) for better value, and got Nelson in the second.
Again, BPA is merely the foundation for Thompson’s philosophy.
And, Jordy’s case is only an example of one of the contingencies that he has to deviate from it, when necessary.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
by NorthStarr on Feb 11, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Pat ~ You always have a calming affect on my rants... : )
Ok… You make a great argument… You know it’s hard for me at times to give TT compliments… This is a back handed compliment… WR wasn’t a need, Jordy WASN’T THE BPA… Yet, TT saw into the future like only he can do, drafted Jordy anyway!!! He produced the 2nd most TDs from the WR position in the NFL this year!!!
So, in hindsight, TT is a genius!! I just wanted to point out that IMHO, he wasn’t the BPA… In Fact, I would go as far as saying that:
@#36 We could’ve drafted Matt Forte, or Clais Campbell and still drafted Jordy Nelson @ #56! Where we took a flyer on Brian Brohm and flamed out…
Drafting is not a science! I get that… TT has had some great moments…
He has also had some picks that I hate!! : ) List is too long to mention, but, I get he’s not going to hit on them all!
In ’09 we all know he picked for NEED!! He had to, we were switching to the 3 – 4, and he had to have a NT & OLB! Raji & CM3!
He did two things he doesn’t usually do… Picked for need, and traded back up into the 1st Round to grab CM3… I think that move was pure genius too, because it’s what I wanted him to do!! : ) It also worked out pretty well… : )
Like I said, I’m just throwing stuff out there to discuss… : ) Have a great Sunday Pat!
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Needs
Yeah in ‘09 we did need DL and OLB for the switch to the 34 D. However, the picks of Raji and Matthews weren’t just need based picks. Raji was the #10 overall rated player in the draft that year and given the fact that he fit the Packers scheme so well, he was undoubtedly rated higher than that by the Packers. Matthews by the same token was rated rated as the #22 overall player (these are CBS ratings), but by I’ve read that the Packers had Matthews rated as the #12 or so rated player in that draft. So those clearly weren’t just need based picks. They were also rated highly by the Packers and for there ability to play in the Packers schemes.
Right now if you ask me about Campbell he has really blossomed into a terrific 34 DE. But would we even be having this discussion if Neal hadn’t gotten hurt last year? In training camp prior to his being hurt he was looking like a great replacement for Jenkins. At this point its all hindsight…
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by Strohman on Feb 12, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would argue that CM3 was rated so high on our board BECAUSE OF OUR NEEDS!!!
We HAD to have a NT & OLB… Switching to a 3 – 4 required it!! That is why Clay was rated so high on our board!!!
Probably the same reason TT drafted Jordy so high, an inflated rating based on what we wanted out of a WR!? The only logical conclusion, because he wasn’t the BPA… : )
Don’t get me started on NEAL again… lol
Hindsight is a way to improve and learn from the past…
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NT wasn't a need per se...
Pickett did very well playing NT. DL was needed and Raji was the top rated DL available. Tyson Jackson went to KC earlier… I wouldn’t say NT was a need. Matthews was rated that high becuz he like Raji was a great fit for the 34 D. Hard to call Matthews at #26 being an inflated rating when he was rated higher than that by both the media AND the Packers? I don’t see either of Raji or Matthews being an inflated rating by the Packers.
Want an example of what happens when you draft need over talent? Levi Brown at #5 over Adrian Peterson! Cards passed on AP cuz they had an old Edgerrin James and needed an OT! LOL
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You are the master of manipulation... : )
Didn’t you say CM3 was rated as the 12th best player on our board?
You can twist it anywhichway you want…
TT went back up into the 1st Round to get him, because as a defense, we had to have him! Don’t kid yourself… It was a NEED!
He had dropped to 26th, and the Packers had him rated @ #12… Perfect example of a GM spinning it the way he wants to get the guy he desperately needs!
You know I thought that was a genius play!! But, don’t try to tell me it wasn’t a need pick, because we both know it’s not true.
Raji ~ Had to have him! He was one of the only NT/DE’s rated high enough for our pick at #9! NEED MEETS RATING! Funny how that works out sometimes…
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Spin...
I gave you reasons why both Raji and Matthews fit where they were drafted, regardless of position. And your spinning it into a needs based pick. LOL Obviously both Raji and Matthews were picks where Ratings meets need.
THe fact that Matthews was our #12 player and he fell to #26 is all the more reason to get him. Value! Even w/ the other picks we gave up.
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That was my point... You can scream BPA all day long, but when you obviously target a
guy like Jordy Nelson, when WR wasn’t a need at the time… You’re drafting for the future… NOT BPA!!!
I love Jordy Nelson… Kid is a baller… I scratched my head when TT drafted him after trading down… And there is NO WAY ON EARTH he was BPA…
He might have been the BPA for the Packers Future… 3 years down the road… But, please don’t profess you Draft for BPA…
Sometimes you draft for need, sometimes you draft for the future, sometimes you get it wrong… My HindSight is Perfect… And Yes, I would’ve loved to have Ray Rice or Matt Forte over Jordy Nelson…
I would’ve love to have Jamaal Charles over PAT LEE TOO!
You are correct Anthony about the draft being hit or miss…
My point is… I hope we get more hits this year or at least swing for the fences, than we have strike outs… : )
Just saying…
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As we have tried to say
BPA is not the same for everyone. Teams rate different players differently. Player rating’s aren’t on talent alone, they are partially done on how you fit into the scheme a team is running at the time. I can’t comment on where TT rated Jordy verses other players, but I can guarantee you he had him rated differently (more than likely higher) than other teams and the media did! And I think you are letting how players perform now as a measuring tool for how they were rated coming out of college.
BPA is just a starting point in the draft, as is this “need” stuff we as fans and the media say. If you think a player is a blue chip kind of guy, select him! It doesn’t always matter if you don’t have a “need” at that position. Was WR a need last year when we selected Cobb? No, but I bet Cobb was one of the highest remaining prospects on Teds board! How about Rodgers?
Fact is that Ted sticks to his board most of the times. And how is that Jordy pick looking now? Helped us win a Superbowl, and he looks like he will help us win a few more. Not to mention he is one of the NFL’s top big play threats at WR.
by Shoes31 on Feb 11, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Shoes31 ~ Excellent points! I agree with them all...
My hindsight is always perfect, as is most everyones… How about this…?
What if TT would’ve picked Matt Forte @ #36 and Jordy @ #56? (Which was probably doable…? White receiver from Kansas… I’d bet we were the only team targeting him!?
How do you think our offense would’ve looked this year with Matt Forte, Jordy Nelson, & Jamaal Charles, if TT would’ve picked Charles @ #60 overall, instead of Pat Lee?
It would’ve been the “Greatest Show on the Tundra!” : ) I’m just pointing out in my own way, that the draft isn’t easy!!
TT is our GM, he drives me crazy sometimes… (Justin Harrell ~ Won’t ever let that one go! : ) Mike Neal ~ Really pissed me off at the time… Hope he comes back and makes me eat crow!!!
Just trying to stimulate the conversations and bring up things that make ya think… I’ll ride with TT anyday… Doesn’t mean he can’t improve and learn from what could’ve been, or game plan for a wild draft this year… : ) Have a great day Shoes!
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I just pray he doesn't ~
Draft a FB, 2 TE’s, & 4 ILB’s… : ) lol
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I’m sure he was content with Grant at RB, especially because he had looked so good. And I’m pretty sure we extended Grant in the offseason of 2007 to, didn’t we?
That said, I don’t think TT has been a great evaluator of RB talent. Grant was alright but all the other guys he drafted were pretty much useless running the ball. It seemed like all the guys he picked were the same — big, with little wiggle. And that’s why I liked the Starks selection, and the Green selection. Starks, while big, has some wiggle to him. And Green looked plenty quick and agile in his time. I think they’re both going to be good players for us.
The Neal thing is frustrating but keep in mind that in the two games he played in, in 2010, he had a sack, a tackle for loss, a forced fumble, and a couple pressures. He looked really good imo, and seemed like he could be a guy who could get up field and pressure the QB for us. It’s hard to knock TT for Neal getting injured. I think we’ve got to give him next season before we start calling him a bust.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 12, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey pack ~ I agree... Neal needs an off-season to get healthy and contribute...
It’s no secret that I was upset when TT drafted Neal, that being said, I pray he develops into a great DE this year!! Injuries after the draft can’t be helped or blamed on TT…
I think we can all agree that Justin Harrell was a bad choice… : P
I love Starks… Especially for a 6th round pick… We don’t know about Green yet, (injuries SUCK!! : )
Isn’t it the GM’s job to look to the future, especially when you draft & develop like TT?
Hey ~ TT is a great GM, I just don’t understand his logic sometimes… But, hey… He gets paid to make these calls…
As a fan, I can throw out scenarios to provoke peoples thoughts right?
How about your “Fire Slocum” signature? Do you think it should take a guy 3 years to develop into a good ST player?
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Yeah, Green’s ACL tear was unfortunate. I think he had somebody roll up on him on a kickoff return.
I don’t understand it all the time either but it does usually pan out.
Haha, no I don’t think it should take 3 years, and I’ve actually mentioned that quite a few times about Bush. I think he was kept as long as he was because Thompson has a tendency to do with “his” guys.
By the way, I think I guess I’m alright with Slocum now. I hate that it took our ST’s 3 years to improve but at the least they finally did, right? I think Taylor and Smith had a lot to do with them improving — so kudos to Thompson for finding them in the 6th and 7th. I think Smith could develop into a starter at ILB for us at some point too!
by packallday555 on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey pack ~ I agree Taylor & Smith were good pick-ups... : )
Should be a very interesting draft this year… Can’t wait to find out what TT has in store for us!! Just hope he doesn’t make a pick that has me ranting for a week, but, alas, he probably will! : )
But, maybe by 2015, I will understand… : )
Think you ought to come up with a wicked new signature… : )
How about… “Slocum Rocks!!!” : )
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by BirdDogUni on Feb 12, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for
How about… "Slocum Rocks!!!" : )
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
by NorthStarr on Feb 12, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Grant
IIRC, we extended him at the extreme end of the 2008 off-season, after we had aquired him in a trade with the Giants on the day of the final cuts in 2007.
(for whatever difference it makes)
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
by NorthStarr on Feb 12, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TT
The problem I have with TT ,is he gets guys in the 5th 6th and 7th round and thinks their gonna turn them into pro bowlers .Sure hes lucked out in the past with a few here or there but the defense suffered because of it in the 2011 season 32 ranked .How many saw the early exit from the playoffs Like I did?Sure the Pack had the #1 seed but with a defense ranked 32nd what do you expect?
by BIRDMAN62 on Feb 13, 2012 6:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hey BIRDMAN62 ~ I feel your pain!!! Believe me!!
I think TT really expected too much from some of our young guys and rolled the dice with them… It didn’t turn out so well… Collins going down really hurt. Not signing Jenkins hurt more than TT ever dreamed. Neal’s inability to stay healthy hurt, as did some of our other injuries.
I have a feeling that TT might take a page from his ‘09 PlayBook and get both a Stud DE & OLB in this year’s draft. Hopefully both in the 1st Round again. (i.e. Raji/CM3)
TT definitely makes me scratch my head sometimes, yet, he has put together a great young roster. We need a few pieces this year to shore up the defense, but, I expect to be right back to the #1 seed, with a different result in the playoffs!!
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