The Packers Have A Decision To Make With Donald Driver
by Brandon on Feb 13, 2012 7:01 AM CST
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PrintGreen Bay Packers news | Driver willing to take pay cut to stay with team | Green Bay Press Gazette. WR James Jones might be the problem here if the Green Bay Packers want Donald Driver to take a pay cut. Would Driver agree to be paid less than Jones?
While it might seem like Jones should be paid more than Driver based on current potential, Driver can make a case that he's just as good now. Jones is more of a deep threat and had a lot more receiving yards last season (635 to 445). But Jones and Driver were very similar in a few other categories including receptions (38 to 37), targets (55 to 56), and touchdowns (7 to 6). If Jones is to be paid about $2.5 million in 2012, how much should Driver be paid?
According to the Press-Gazette, Driver is scheduled to be paid a $2.2 million roster bonus in March and a $2.6 million salary for 2012. The Packers could reduce his base salary to the veteran's minimum of $700,000, but that would still be nearly $3 million in total. It's possible he could receive a one-year contract worth around $3 million if he we're a free agent.
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At the right price, Driver stays
Here’s why:
1. It’s a passing, spread-em-out league, where creating match-ups reign supreme. There are many times when Driver is better than the opponents’ 5th perimeter defender.
2. This is no news flash, but Driver is locker room glue. Teams don’t just get healthy chemistry because they hope for it to happen or put it on a sign in the locker room. There needs to be core leaders making it happen. And Driver is just that.
3. Depth, depth, depth. The Packers were relatively healthy last year. No guarantees next year. Let’s say JJ or Cobb goes down for the year. Insert Driver.
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by JSOnline Castaway on Feb 13, 2012 8:27 AM CST reply actions
Pretty sure I read he’s got a $2M roster bonus, so if we retained him he’d get that plus whatever we cut his base salary too. Pretty sure the minimum there is $700K, so the smallest hit he could have is $2.7M — still too much imo.
I love as much the next person but with Gurley likely being added to the active roster, we just don’t have the room.
by packallday555 on Feb 14, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Driver
Release him before the roster bonus is due and you owe him nothing… No cap hit! On the open market I doubt he gets much more than the vets minimum! The Packers have plenty of weapons w/o him. Jenning, Finley, Nelson, Jones and Cobb are the players the Packers will use to spread any D out. Driver was often covered by the Giants in the playoffs by LB or at most Safeties. Yet he still only had 3 rec… Sorry but if a WR is being covered by LB and can only get open for 3 rec he shouldn’t be on an NFL roster! If the Packers had put Cobb in the game vs those LB the Packers probably would have beaten the Giants.
Gurley and Borel need the work and can both develop into good WR. And they will both contribute on ST. And even if Driver plays for the vets min he still gets pd about double what they would make. Driver should have seen the writing on the wall and walked away instead of putting the Packers in position to have to release him and mk the Packers the bad guys by doing so!
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Bad guys?
Driver should have seen the writing on the wall and walked away instead of putting the Packers in position to have to release him and mk the Packers the bad guys by doing so!
Curious, but what does this have to do with anything? Everybody knows it’s a business. If anyone was confused about how the Packers make decisions with an eye to the future, they can just look back at how they handled He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named.
by mpbMKE on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Cuz the fans love Driver and want to hold onto him...
So in the fans minds if the Packers release Driver after he said he’ll take a pay cut to stay, it makes them look like the bad guys who don’t care about the Players. Look at the results of the pole. 85% of fans can’t accept that he doesn’t have it and it makes the Packers releasing him look like they don’t care. I hope I’m wrong and none of you feel bad about the Packers when they release him… And IMO they WILL release him!
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Whoa whoa whoa...
Back up the gravy train. “Can’t accept” him being cut? That’s awfully hyperbolic. I voted keep him for $3MM, which is the most Driver-friendly response, but I won’t be upset if he doesn’t figure into the team’s plans. If they cut him, hey, great career, got your ring, will be a Packer HOFer, no one will ever have a bad word to say about him. I’m not going to feel bad for the guy or believe for a moment that the Packers treated him poorly.
Look at the results of the pole.
i bet you look at a lot of poles.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
DD: the only skills player who didn't choke
Winning as an underdog and winning as the favorite take two very different kinds of mental strength. Playing with nothing to lose can be an excellent mental state, especially for young teams. Playing with everything to lose takes a deeper toughness, a grimmer perspective. Driver showed that he is the only skill player on the offensive side of the ball to possess that toughness. Six other players dropped passes. Grant fumbled twice, Kuhn once, and Aaron was completely out of sync. That is the definition of choke.
Maybe the team will grow from the experience. Maybe they will get grittier and learn to put teams away. Till the young guys show they’ve taken that step, I’d keep a player that’s already got that moxy.
by 50 years and Counting on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Did all those guys choke when they played on the road and won the SB?
No they all played very well then… Driver got open and caught 3 freakin passes vs LB and Safeties! Not exactly stepping his play up is it?!
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I get what you are saying, and I agree, but still- those LB and Safeties are still NFL players, pretty good ones too-winning the Super Bowl like they did. He certainly didn’t step it up and make plays, but it’s not like they were beating him like a dead horse. There was a lot of irregularities about that game. I just don’t think you can use it as end-all evidence that he’s done.
I do think he needs to step to the side, if he still wants to be a PART of the TEAM, like it seems to be, then bring him on as an assistant wide receivers coach. He would still be that locker room glue and could prove to be a good coach, I always thought he played smart, At the very least he could be a great resource for our receivers and also Edgar Bennett. I know he want’s another ring, well he could still win one as a coach.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 14, 2012 3:53 AM CST up reply actions
Plesae read post before replying
Dear Stroh, my thesis is just a corollary of your tag line. In this case dealing with success means a change in attitude on the field. Please consider the following:
The Packer SB win in 2010 was very similar to the two recent Giants SB wins: Talented underdog with nothing to lose. The year after their first SB win the Giants started the season 11-1, then one and done in the divisional round. The Giants had to struggle for a couple years after the first win before they could return to their roots as the talented underdog. It’s no surprise that their QB is the younger brother to a future HOFer. My guess is that beating the top dog has been his MO since he was four.
Till this year Rogers brought a similar vibe. Always undervalued, chip on his shoulder, something to prove. But now none of that applies. He’s elite, he’s the MVP. Now you have to beat the underdog. You have to crush the dreams of a guy who looks a lot like you did the year before. Can you be that hard? Can you be that calloused. Or do you throw the ball to the wrong side of Jennings on an easy touchdown?
I’m not saying it was all Rogers. How many times has Kuhn fumbled in his career? Never till that game. How many RBs fumble running into their own lineman? Grant fumbles once every ~70 touches. In this game he fumbles twice on 11 touches. Six players had dropped passes. You don’t think all these mistakes coming together weren’t mental?
This collapse was no different than the Giants falling to Philly in their first post season game after the 2007 SB. Many of our players couldn’t play the part of bully. But Driver didn’t have that problem. It doesn’t matter how open Finely, or Jennings, or Jones are if they drop the ball. My hope is that the others will understand that Driver brought something to that game they didn’t have. That they will want to develop it in themselves. That having him in the locker room one more year will give them a model to work from.
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by 50 years and Counting on Feb 14, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They've all had a few years to learn from Driver.
I don’t think they need or have anything left to learn from him. If they do then Driver wasn’t being the leader he was made out to be. Alot of mistakes were made in that game by players who the year before were making all the plays. They certainly know how to play in pressure game, whether they are the underdog or the frontrunner. They know how to play in big games and don’t need an example on how to do it. Just cuz Driver happened to catch all 3, let me reitertate that he caught all 3 passes that were thrown to him, when BTW he was being covered by LB and Safeties, not CB, doesn’t show that Driver has more to teach them. The BIG caveat IS that Driver was only being covered by LB, so he should have made the Giants pay for doing so… He didn’t! Means he can’t get open consistently vs even LB. But you wanna keep him? Don’t think so…
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He made every play he had a chance to make, #12 wasn’t playing lights out, I can’t say with certainty (and I’m not going back to watch that game and check) that DD didn’t deserve the ball more than 3 times, especially with everyone else’s poor play.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 15, 2012 3:54 AM CST up reply actions
They know how to play in pressure games as frontrunners?
Sorry but I missed that one. Could you give me some examples? This was the first year they were a frontrunner. They choked on undefeated at 15 and they chokes against the Giants. Maybe I missed something. Please provide a couple examples.
As for learning from Driver, you can’t teach some one something until they know they don’t already know it. I taught eighth graders science and math for five years. It was much easier than my current job: explaining engineering to biologist with PhDs. The Packers are just now figuring out why they lost. They won’t know to look for inspiration till mid-season next year. That is when Driver could help.
Athletic performance rises from three foundations: physical, mental, and emotional. When analyzing success or failure, the first is easy to understand and easy to talk about. Your point about Driver not beating LBs and safeties fits here.
The second can be deduced with some study. To be more persuasive you need to talk about the routes chosen, the times Rogers looked at Driver and chose not to throw, and account for the extent to which the plays run used Driver as a decoy. You could be correct that his performance was subpar. But without that information we really don’t know much.
The third foundation is clear. The skill players on offense choked. I think I’ve presented a number of stats to support that point. If you have counter examples I would be very interested to read them. And, I am not the only one that thinks our loss to the Giants was a choke. CHFF titled their analysis of the game “Discount Double Choke.”.
I’ve always valued your analysis in the past. I hope to be enlightened again.
by 50 years and Counting on Feb 17, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Just the fact he was being covered by LB and Safeties
Tells you all you need to know. There a thing called audibles… If they see a favorable matchup they can change the play to take advantage of it. If they don’t then they must not have felt it was much of an advantage! He caught 3 passes being covered by LB and Safeties. That tell you all you need to know!
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Not up to your usual standards.
Sorry Stroh, but your not convincing me. And you haven’t convinced a lot of other people on this blog. Your only site is an article from MJS. Can you provide a link to the article? I couldn’t find it. The MJS is not in the same league with CHFF but if it convince you I’d like see why.
As for Aaron not calling an audible when Driver is covered by a LB or Safety: Are you referring to the Rogers who couldn’t hit a wide open Jennings for a touchdown? The guy who was completely out of sink the entire game? I could just as easily argue that this is another piece of evidence that Rogers wasn’t his usual self rather than an indictment of Driver.
But let send me the site and I’ll try to keep an open mind. Thanks.
by 50 years and Counting on Feb 18, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Watch the highlite of his TD
Who’s covering him?
http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB
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Yes, TDs are only worth 4 points when a LB is in coverage
2 points when a DT is in coverage
3 points when a DE is in coverage
5 points when a S is in coverage
6 points when a CB is in coverage
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I'm confused
In order for Boley to stay with Driver he has to turn his back to the QB, thus opening up a window for Rogers to throw into. Boley was playing off man and Driver blew by him.
This looks like a clear demonstration that Driver can beat linebacker coverage.
If you want I will sign up for month of Rewind and try to figure out how Driver’s doing on each play. Do you know a Web site with that kind of analysis?
by 50 years and Counting on Feb 19, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Driver covered by LBs and Safeties
Where did you read this, anyway? Was he really only covered by LBs and Safeties all game, or did it just happen that each time he was covered by an LB or S Rodgers called his number? And when Rodgers threw it to him, he caught it. Much like Nelson in the Super Bowl last year, but we don’t denigrate Nelson’s Super Bowl performance because he drew less coverage than Jennings, Driver, or Jones did in that game.
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by I voted for Kodos on Feb 14, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Read it on JSOnline in one of the articles after the game.
Nelson was matched against Gay a CB in the SB almost that whole game. That was a large part of the game plan, was to get that matchup. He wasn’t covered by a LB by Pitts.
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Have you considered . . .
That not everyone here thinks Driver is as finished as you think he is? You don’t have to be fast to beat zone coverage. But this is not my main point . . . nor am I so sure that Driver is worth keeping.
What I really want to know is: if it was so obvious that all it took to beat the Giants was to sub in Randall Cobb, how is it that the Packers’ coaches failed to notice this but you did?
Oh, if only the Packers had hired you to give them your expertise, we would have won that Giants game!
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by I voted for Kodos on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't say it was that obvious.
Just that if the Packers had played Cobb instead of Driver, they MIGHT have been able to get alot more production from that matchup and hence MIGHT have won the game. What does it say that Driver was only able to make 3 rec vs the Giants when he was getting covered by LB and Safeties? To me that says he doesn’t have it anymore. If a WR can’t beat LB and Safeties for more than 3 rec and he USED to be a Pro Bowl WR, that pretty much indicates to me that he ain’t got it anymore! You can draw your own conclusions! I’m not telling how or what to think, just saying thats is pretty conclusive IMO. If you choose to feel that it shows something else thats up to you. But we do know that Rodgers will get the ball to the open reciever don’t we? So I have to assume he was having trouble getting open vs those LB and Safeties… Draw you own conclusions…
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What does it say that Cobb wasn't able to get more snaps, even though the other WRs were "playing poorly"?
What does it say that Driver was only able to make 3 rec vs the Giants when he was getting covered by LB and Safeties?
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by Wiedmann on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Safeties and linebackers?
All game? Only LBs and Safeties? How does this compare to the coverage the other WRs got? How many snaps did he get? And where did you get your information?
Also, Rodgers can’t afford to wait until someone is open – he has to spot the matchup and trust his guy to get open. So when he spots a WR with a safety or LB on him, he throws it his way. If Driver caught all of his targets it so one could also draw the conclusion that he hasn’t lost all ability to play.
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by I voted for Kodos on Feb 14, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
How much time should it take for a WR to beat a LB who's covering him?
1 maybe 1.5 sec at the very most. Plenty of time left for Rodgers to get him the ball
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UMM
Brent wasnt anything like Donald. The Packers were sick of the wait and see if I am going retire crap lasting well into march. Frankly as a fan you should have been sick of it too. So the pack ask him for answer now and he gave them one. So then we he goes back on HIS decision its the packers fault I am sorry but under Sherman Bert was allowed to do so many things that are unheard of in an NFL locker room. He has his own locker room his own office….for a player….WTF is that. Sherman let the monster get out of control and when TT came in and tried to put the monster back into his cage it all went to shit. Dont compare class act Donald with class-less Lord FARQUAD.
Doesn't make them bad guys for cutting Driver.
Like I said, it’s a business. People get too wrapped up in their “feelings.” I want them to put the best team on the field. Driver’s had a long career and got a ring. I love the guy, but why am I supposed to feel sorry for him?
To say Driver didn't play well against the Giants is foolish.
He was targeted three times and made three difficult catches. Every receiver on the team only had three or four catches. Should they be cut too?
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by Rendezvous on Feb 13, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
didn't say he played poorly...
Only that he only caught 3 passes when getting covered by LB and Safties instead of CB. He played to his ability, unfortunately his ability no longer allows him to even get open consistently vs LB, much less CB. I wouldn’t say making catches vs LB is difficult for a WR. And don’t try to tell me he should have gotten more thrown his way, cuz we all know Rodgers will throw to whomever is open! Sorry you don’t like that he could only get that many receptions vs LB coverage, but it is what it is… No longer very good.
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FIRE EVERY RECEIVER FOR FAILING US IN THE DIVISIONAL ROUND!
EVEN JENNINGS! EVEN NELSON! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
/rage mode off
Seriously, though. No. Keep Driver through 2012. It’s not like he’s the Terry Glenn of the Packers.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 14, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Love Driver! He's a class act...
Just the kind of guy we need in GB! I say hire him to be the TE’s Coach, and suit him up on Sundays… If his job title is coach, can we get away with him not counting against the cap or 53 man roster!? I say we go for it until the NFL makes a rule against it! We might be able to skirt current rules for awhile!! : ) I know it sounds like a NE thing to do… But, hey, I had an old Sgt tell me “If you ain’t cheat’in, you ain’t trying!!” : )
Think it would be a shame to lose Driver, but, think it would also be a shame to see this guy http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Tori-Gurley/e4136c36-84c4-4e19-ae24-223bbaa860b1 sit on the practice squad another year…
Coach/Player makes the Packers look like the good guys, and we can still get a bunch of 3rd downs next year with #80!!! : )
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Ah, the Bill Belichick way of doing things. Not in GB, thank you very much.
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by PackersOwnersBox on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Easy there Turbo ~ Don't hop up on your soap box to soon...
It was a joke… (The cheat’in part anyway… : )
I do seriously wonder how the NFL would perceive a Coach/Player these days though?
Would be fun to find out!!
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Why can't we have both?
Who’s to say we can’t have 6 or 7 WR and 4 TE instead of 5 WR and 5 TE? Especially with Quarless possibly being lost for all of 2012 and the Finley situation up in the air. I say keep the 5 current WR and let Gurley, Smithson, and Borel fight it out in camp for the last 1 or 2 spots.
Don't Ax The Donald
The thing I love about Driver is he actually catches the ball when it counts. He’s also tough as nails and a proven leader. In a perfect world, DD sticks around for 1-2 mil and then becomes part of the coaching staff—even if it’s just the “Coach of Catching the Damn Ball”
The face of the Franchise
After the falling out with Brent and before Rodgers made is mark this was the guy that was the face of the franchise. I have my catalog from the pro-shop where it was donald and bart on the cover. That was the face of the franchise for about two years. He is still Mr.Packer I know that TT isnt a big loyalty guy but DD stuck with it all and through it all. You MUST let him leave on his own terms. Either way I think keeping him in the “family” will happen you have to keep him cause he does create a lot of matchup problems on a five-wide set. Donald against the dime guy even at 36(?) he is still better than some dime coverage guy. Do the right thing. Keep Donald until Donald is ready to become a coach or even a player coach. The Packers dont owe a lot to many of their players but I think they do owe something small like this to Donald.
I love me some DD
I originally thought we should cut him and move on. DD having a roster spot could easily mean us losing Gurley or some other promising rookie. And his salary is way out of line, although he would take a pay cut if asked.
But the Quarless injury opens a spot for him and Gurley I think. Quarless will most likely start the season on the PUP, and may or may not be activated later. But that gives us a roster spot for a while, which we can use to keep Driver and have room for Gurley.
Unfortunately, I think Quarless is the only other receiver-type TE we have.
Which isn’t saying much since Taylor is more of a FB, Crabtree is more of a blocker, and I don’t know enough about Williams to make a proper classification but he certainly doesn’t strike me as a pass catcher.
by Bezerkers on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Williams is a receiving TE,
but he’s a completely different type than Finley.
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I'm fine with it either way.
I made my peace with it last training camp, and I thought they’d cut him then.
On the other hand, I’ve never watched Driver and thought “boy, he’s washed up.” The guy can still play.
What’ll determine the answer to this question will be the cap situation, and then competition in training camp if it gets that far. But, if the talent evaluators think that one of our practice squad guys can bring more to the table than Driver, then they should cut him.
Keep Driver in the family...
Give him a deal similar to the one they offered Favre to stay retired. A personal services contract so he can stay associated w/ the Packers and be an ambassador for them around the state and in the public eye. Don’t want to disssociate w/ him, but he shouldn’t be on the roster next year. And is there anyone that would be a better ambassador for the Packers? No… Give him a 1M per personal services contract for off-field appearances and such!
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BRIBE him?!?!?
lol :)
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I saw what you did there... LOL
Tell him its a one time only deal. Sign it now or go play elsewhere. But if you go elsewhere this deal won’t ever be on the table again! LOL If thats a bribe so be it…
Nice one, btw…
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And honestly I don't think he would find any teams willing to pay him 1M per...
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he would definitely be able to find a team willing to pay him 1M per
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Who's gonna pay 1M per
For a WR that could only muster 3 rec vs LB and Safeties?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 14, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
he was thrown to three times and caught all three
this has always been a weak argument on your part, and that still hasn’t changed, sorry.
Several teams would be willing to pay more than 1M for a skilled veteran receiver like Driver, especially since he’s a guy who’s always been team first.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Your Opinion...
We’ll see… Teams don’t generally throw millions at a 38 yr old WR who can’t consistently beat LB and Safety coverage! I know I sure wouldn’t…
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The crux of my point...
Is that he was being covered by LB and Safeties and only had 3 rec. Great he caught all them… If he was being covered by LB and Safeties all game he should have maded them pay to the tune of 7 or 8 and 100 yds! He didn’t… He ONLY caught 3 passes vs those LB and Safeties. If he can’t make a team pay for covering him w/ LB and Safeties he ain’t worth a 1M contract. If I were to believe you I would have to assume Rodgers wasn’t throwing to the open man.
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If Rodgers had all day in the pocket like Eli did, I bet Driver would have caught more passes
When Driver’s the 4th or 5th read, and the QB doesn’t have time to make that many reads, he’s probably not going to get the ball thrown to him a lot.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 14, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
by this logic, every third and fourth receiver in the NFL should be putting up 100+ yards a game
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Can you imagine just how ridiculously effective 5-WR sets would be if this was actually the case?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 14, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Of course its not Drivers fault he can't get open vs LB and Safeties!
Let me say that again just to clarify… He can’t get open vs LB and Safeties. All your doing is making excuses for it…
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He got open 3 times against the Giants...
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Do you think if you repeat this enough you don't have to offer supporting evidence?
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by I voted for Kodos on Feb 15, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If Driver were to be released
I think no team would give serious effort to sign him. And if any team did, he would be a spot player at most. Fact is that no team really wants a 37 year old receiver who is declining.
That being said, I don’t think Driver would accept your plan Stroh. He has repeatedly said he wants to play again next year, even if it is unlikely another team will sign him.
The Vikings would sign him
Or try to.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 14, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Thats why I said...
Its a one time only deal… If he wants to stay associated w/ the Packers after his career is over, he would have to strongly consider it. What means more to him, playing another year or 2 on another team w/ very little to be gained from it, or being a part of the Packers for the foreseeable future? He doesn’t need the money, but he does value his legacy w/ the Packers. Its very unlikely that he would win another SB w/ another team, much less have an impact of the field. So what does he gain by playing longer on another team?
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He may value his legacy with us
But Driver has repeatedly said he wants to play next year, and until he is 40. If we don’t keep him for next year, Driver is gonna look to play with another team. Because he wants to play and doesn’t want to give up football.
Logic says he won’t get many / any looks from other teams, but he wants to play. So he’s gonna stay on the free agent market for at least a year to try and pick up an offer.
If thats how he wants to leave the Packers...
Thats his decision… I know what he’s said, but if given the chance to stay connected to the Packers for the next 10 yrs, isn’t enough to change his mind, then so be it.. Can’t say we didn’t try to keep him in the Packer family. WHats the use of playing just to stay a player, when you don’t get opportunites on the field and very little pay?
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
I would rather have DD than Derrick Mason from the Raven’s and he got looks and picked up, Idk if he was 37 or even 38 though.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
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