Who Is The Worst Free Agent Available?
by Brandon on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM CST
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I never even thought for a minute that the Green Bay Packers should pursue him. But I was wondering whether he was the least desirable free agent available?
There's no doubt Haynesworth is a bad one, but he's got some serious competition. The wide receiver formerly known as Chad Ochocinco, his former teammate and current Indoor Football League star Terrell Owens, and the recently unretired Randy Moss are all awful in their own rights.
Which one is the worst? Or am I missing someone?
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They’ve all had bad work ethic, bad stats, multiple teams, and way too much money, but only one was cut by a team within 2 weeks of arriving… And the Vikings at that.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 15, 2012 2:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
How can a guy
who is such a special teams stud, just routinely suck in pass coverage. The guy is a maddening player to watch. He has been a liability as a DB for years, yet his special teams play keeps him here. Bush’s SB INT will haunt Roethlisberger for years to come . He was way out of position on that play. Had Big Ben even glanced down the left sideline he would have seen his TE in the clear with no one within 15 yards streaking toward the end zone. Bush was so out of position on that play, that even Big Ben didn’t expect Bush in the middle of the field next to the LB. As the old saying goes, “sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good”, if you’re JB. I’m a little tired of people defending this guy and overlooking his coverage skills. We better all hope and pray (again) that our starting DBs stay healthy next year.
Simple
ST has less thinking, he needs to sprint downfield, in a straight line, and tackle the ball carrier.
Defenses/Offenses are more complex, which requires more instict, knowledge, and understanding on each play.
pretty simple.
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
My question was rhetorical
despite the fact that I forgot to place a question mark at the end of my opening sentence. It was my way agreeing with Wiedmann and trying to point out JBs deficiencies. So I guess we’re in agreement.
Agree with your statements btw
He lacks the instincts, smarts and abilities to ever be a reliable defender.
untrue...
He was way out of position on that play.
Bush recognized the formation and from film study KNEW the play and the specific player that Ben was throwing to. So soon after the ball was snapped, Bush intentionally dropped his coverage responsibility to make a play on the ball. He credited Woodson w/ teaching him how to recognize the play and how to watch film for the offensive tendencies, but he knew exactly where Ben was throwing that ball (he threw to the same receiver on that play every time he saw it on film). Give Bush credit… He went and made a play based on his film study!
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Or he guessed and got lucky.
Aaron Rodgers, MVP.
The day LeBron James wins an NBA championship will be the day I stop watching NBA basketball. Needless to say, it looks like I'll be watching for quite a few more years.
He did what Wood does
Made a play based on what he saw in film study. It was no more a guess as what Wood does on a regular basis… Give him credit for making a play! Not doing so, just proves your biased and can’t accept when someone you don’t like makes something happen.
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Give him credit for making a play! Not doing so, just proves your biased and can’t accept when someone you don’t like makes something happen.
Funny, from the guy who trashed Donald Driver before last season, saying Rodgers doesn’t trust him, he’d be hurt all year, he wouldn’t make any big catches, etc…….. and is right back to doing the same thing this offseason.
Guess you just can’t accept when someone you don’t like makes something happen.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Never said...
Rodgers didn’t trust him! EVER… Driver didn’t get hurt cuz he wasn’t on the field nearly as much. If he played the number of snaps he played the year before he most likely would have been injured. What big plays did Driver make last year? Very few… He made a couple the year before, like the SF catch, but didn’t make any of those plays this year.
I have alot of respect for Driver and even before the start of Training camp started to think Driver would be back. This year he did nothing to make anyone think that he should be returning. He’s a 38 yr old WR, who can’t seperate from CB or even Safeties. And didn’t create any plays when covered by LB. Driver deserves a place w/ the Packers it just shouldn’t be on the field! Does that sound like I don’t like him?
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Hold on for a sec while I go back and pull your direct quotes
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Good luck w/ that...
You better provide a link otherwise you can easily make up a quote that I never said. Driver runs the right route all the time, so Rodgers should trust him to be in the right place. Whether he can trust him to seperate… Well Driver showed this year he can’t…
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From Donald Driver Counter-Point:
Re-visit it at the end of the year… Thats when it’ll be relevant. Drirver can make it thru a month, he can’t make it thru a season tho!
From Green Bay Would be Better Off if Driver had Retired
He won’t be making the big catches and probably won’t be available from one week to the next. The important receptions they are looking for Jennings and Finley, and maybe even Jones or Nelson before they look at DRiver. If he isn’t on the field, He’s worse than an UDFA.
Would have been best for the Packers is he retired, but yeah we all know for Driver he wasn’t going to retire 40 some yards shy of the record. Some would call that selfish… Whats best for #80, not best for the Packers.
Won’t make big catches……check.
Will be injured all year……check.
Selfish!……(Funny, you posted a comment the other day calling him selfish for just not retiring)
Everyone does….
Its the nature of the offense. Doesn’t mean Rodgers is looking for him on 3rd down tho. Finley and Jennings are clearly more reliable targets, and I would argue that Jones and Nelson are as well.
Rodgers won’t look for him on 3rd down……check.
Everyone else on the team is more reliable…..check
Not too mention that he’s dropping alot more passes. Just excuses, cuz he can’t get it done anymore…
He dropped passes in 2010, so he can’t get it done anymore. Guess we better let Jermichael go this offseason too!
And who’s he gonna trust?
The 37 yr old coming off injuries AND led the team in drops or the younger better players who can do more right now?!
Hmm….that certain sounds like you’re saying Rodgers won’t trust Driver…..because that’s what you said.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Feb 15, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Driver was able to play all year, cuz his snap count went down significantly. Driver did lead the team in drops last year, and who knows, he might have again if he had played alot more. Your (or others) are trashing Finley and ready to dump him for his drops this year, but you give Driver the benefit of the doubt. Trusting Driver to seperate is completely different than trusting him to run the right route. Did Driver MAKE the play on an TD’s, like he did vs SF last year or did he get thrown open by Rodgers? I don’t consider catching a TD MAKING a play, unless the reciever did something to create the opportuntiy. I didn’t see him MAKE an impact play w/ his talent, other than maybe beating a #4 CB or safety for an occasional TD. Too bad he can’t do it consistently anymore.
You gonna trust a 38 yr old WR who this year didn’t seperate from the Pat Lee’s of the world on other teams?
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Your (or others) are trashing Finley and ready to dump him for his drops this year, but you give Driver the benefit of the doubt.
You trashed Driver, but you give Finley the benefit of the doubt. (And I’m not a Finley hater, I was just pointing out that your BS you used last off-season for Driver can be used against Finley for his dropsies all season)
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Who showed that they can't win the one on ones?
Driver… So if I give Finley the benefit of the doubt its in the fact that he creates opportunities for himself and others. Driver no long does that… Not too mention that while I defend Finley, I DO NOT defend his drops! But I’m sure you can go back and find a quote to take out of its context and use it to show otherwise.
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You can't have it both ways
You are saying that Finley creates opportunities for himself and others, when you are using the argument that Rodgers made all of Drivers plays for him. Pick a side. A lot of Finley’s big plays came when he was well covered and Rodgers threw him open.
Don't you know
Obviously everyone else did it all on their own, while Driver needed help.
Because Stroh said so.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Feb 16, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Driver averaged 12 yds/rec
Thats not creating anything! It HORRIBLE for a WR! The TE your talking about averaged 2 yds more per reception than the WR your supporting. Are you saying that Finley didn’t open the field for everyone else?
And I didn’t say Rodgers didn’t throw everyone open to some degree. But look at the numbers! Driver obviously didn’t get open much or he would have had alot more receptions. Cuz as everyone said all season long, Rodgers throws to the guy that open! And when he did get the ball, Driver didn’t do anything w/ it!
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Re-visit it at the end of the year… Thats when it’ll be relevant. Drirver can make it thru a month, he can’t make it thru a season tho!
Playing part time doesn’t help your position, but don’t let that stop you from arguing!
He won’t be making the big catches and probably won’t be available from one week to the next. The important receptions they are looking for Jennings and Finley, and maybe even Jones or Nelson before they look at DRiver
How many game winning catches did Driver have? How many big plays did he have? Pretty much was invisible all year buried on the depth chart! and all those recievers DID get more looks and receptions than Driver! Again this isn’t helping your stance, but don’t let that stop you from arguing!
Its the nature of the offense. Doesn’t mean Rodgers is looking for him on 3rd down tho. Finley and Jennings are clearly more reliable targets, and I would argue that Jones and Nelson are as well.
Rodgers wasn’t looking for Driver he was looking for other recievers. Thats why they all had more reception, more yards and more TD’s than Driver! Still not helping yourself, but dont let that stop you!
Not too mention that he’s dropping alot more passes. Just excuses, cuz he can’t get it done anymore…
He DID drop more passes last year and easily could have again except he only played PART TIME. Yeah Finley had a bad year w/ drops. The difference is Finley is now a playmaker and Driver isn’t anymore. Finley opens the field for all the other recievers, the Giants covered Driver w/ LB! Still not helping yourself here, but might as well keep going, your burying yourself w/ every comment!
And who’s he gonna trust? The 37 yr old coming off injuries AND led the team in drops or the younger better players who can do more right now?!
Yeah Rodgers trusted Driver so much that ALL the other recievers had better years! Not exactly an endorsement of Rodgers trust of Driver is it… Sure you’ll argue otherwise, cuz thats what you do!
Rodgers DID trust all the other recievers more than Driver, that why the GOT MORE RECEPTIONS, MORE YARDS and MORE TD’S than Driver!
However you wanna look at it the other recievers had more of everything! So I guess that means that Rodgers had more trust in them to make plays, to get open, to do something w/ it after they caught it! Driver averaged a paltry 12 yds/ rec! As a WR thats POOR!
Nice failure!!!
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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2012 2:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, which were you wrong about, that he'd get more playing time or that he'd get injured?
Re-visit it at the end of the year… Thats when it’ll be relevant. Drirver can make it thru a month, he can’t make it thru a season tho!
Playing part time doesn’t help your position, but don’t let that stop you from arguing!
Or was it both?
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
He DID play less
and I said in those articles that Pack3485 said that Driver needed to play less to be effective! Lo and behold Driver played less and that helped him. Stay healthy and somewhat effective. So in reality I was right on BOTH accounts. Playing less allowed Driver to stay healthy.
Also for the record, saying that I said Rodgers didn’t trust Driver it is a misnomer and out of context. In its context its who is Rodger gonna trust more to make a play Jones/Nelson or Driver. That IS NOT saying Rodger doesn’t trust Driver!
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This is why people hate you
So in reality I was right on BOTH accounts.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Well I certainly wasn't wrong as you seemed to think...
And some people hate you too. For being a spelling/grammar nazi and never being able to walk away and let something end!!!
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by Strohman on Feb 19, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You said Driver "can't make it thru a season!"
Under what logic is that “right”?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Cuz it was said
In the context of him being a full time player, not a PT one! Like I said in the link by Pack3485, Driver would be better of playing less downs!
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So, if I predicted that Driver would get 1000 yards last year
I would have been right? Of course, the 1000 yards would be in the context of him being a full-time player.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
And he didn't make any big plays this year?
Guess those two TD catches against the Giants on the road, in a game the Packers won by 3 points, don’t qualify as big to you. Or the 4 other regular season touchdowns. Or the fact that he was the only guy on the team not dropping everything coming his way in the playoffs (thrown to 3 times, 3 catches, and a touchdown)
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Does being thrown open tell you that a WR MADE a play?
No! It means the QB MADE the play. I dont’ remember Driver MAKING something happen this year, like he did vs SF last year. That was a play Driver MADE, did you see anything close to that this year?
Rodgers throw him open, or even Driver sitting in an open zone, isn’t MAKING a play, cuz its something almost any WR can do! Catch a TD pass is only MAKING a play if he did something to get himself open. Jogging into an open zone and stopping isn’t MAKING a play even if it happens to be for a TD.
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How about
How Driver got his second TD reception in the Giants game. That is the definition of making a play. Driver was initially covered, and worked himself free before making a toe tipping TD catch. Not to mention the scramble plays that only work if the WR and QB make it work together.
Driver still made plays for us this season, and if he is back next season he will make some plays again for us. Yes, the number of plays he is making is down each year, but to suggest Driver isn’t making any is silly.
by Shoes31 on Feb 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He worked himself free
From a LB!!!! I’m soo impressed that a WR can get open against a LB… A FREAKIN LB!!!!
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So when other WRs make catches, it’s because they were open.
When Driver makes a catch, it’s because of Aaron Rodgers.
I love how convenient that is for you. Everything always works out that way……in your own mind. In the real world, you are just biased against Driver and can’t even give him any credit for the clutch catches he made this year.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
Looks like we'll agree to disagree then
You cannot leave a TE release down the field with absolutely no one backing you up. I have seen this play several times and there is absolutely no way I can agree with you. He is damn lucky the D line got pressure in Big Ben’s face because it would have been the easiest TD he has thrown all year. There was no one even close. Roethlisberger made a huge mistake on that play by not just throwing at one, but 2 defenders on that play. The LB was already there to make the play, before the ball got there and they practically fought over the ball. For every time JB makes a stupid gamble he is going to be wrong 2 out of 3 times. He can credit Woodson all he wants, but he doesn’t belong on the same field as Woodson. Woodson’s responsibilities are far different from Bush’s and he can afford to gamble more because he doesn’t play a true corner position much anymore. Woodson also has the football IQ to know when he has safety help. You’re giving film study way too much credit on this play. Do you think that every positive play for the Packers results from film study? There are a few times most games when you get damn lucky the opposing QB doesn’t see what he should see, and this is one of them. I think you have outcome bias…….something I see in medical research a lot……if the play turned out in your favor everyone must have done everything right.
Ben threw ever pass to the same guy all year.
Bush recognized it and went and made something happen. Film study and the way you do it is a huge factor in seperating playmakers from talented players who don’t. It put you into the category of elite players. Not that Bush is in any way elite, but he made a great play. Ben threw the pass right were the film study showed Bush he would. So Bush did what he should do. As Woodson says, trust what your eyes tell you. If you see a play and know how to make a game changing play, you do it. Ben never took his eyes of that one reciever and Bush knew he wouldn’t, based on his film study. Should he have just knew what was going to happen and stay w/ his TE responsibility instead of making a big play? Thats insane… Every player should have the freedom to go make a play if they know whats coming. Woodson is better at it than others, but that doesn’t mean others can’t do it when they see it. Luck plays a part in every big play, but that doesn’t in any way dimish that it was a big play, that Bush made based on his film study! Just like it doesn’t when Woodson does it…
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And we've come full circle...like I said "sometimes its better to be lucky than good"
The video shows the wide open Steeler was livid with Big Ben for not recognizing him. QBs are not robots. They find the open man the vast majority of the time and BR is no exception. You can make the same throw to the same receiver on the same play call 20 times in your career but you better be able to throw it to the other receiver on the 21st time when your go to guy on that play is covered and the receiver was covered better by the LB than JB on that play. If its a one receiver pattern, its a different story.
I’ll continue to give credit to Big Ben for the inexplicable pass into double coverage with another man wide open…….you’ll continue to give Bush credit for his film study. Tell me where Bush’s film study is when he routinely gets burned, positions himself poorly and reacts terribly……..probably jumping a route because he knows exactly what’s going to happen every play from his film study, and of course, the QB made that throw all season to the same receiver. Why should the QB care if he’s open? The QB can’t think or react after the play starts, right…….he already knows where he’s going to throw the ball. And of course you watched every play of every Steelers game and you would know that under no circumstances, even if the receiver is covered would BR ever be smart enough to look off a DB and go to his wide open second read on any given pass play.
Bush is and always has been a liability in the defensive backfield. If we can’t agree on that, you and I have been watching 2 completely different players for the past several years. I cannot overlook the multiple boneheaded plays he makes for every nut this blind squirrel finds.
by Icebowler on Feb 16, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That reminds me of the Dave Chapelle...
remake of R. Kelly’s Piss on You.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 15, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bad
None of them are that great at this point, my vote is no vote on any of them.
by I bleed green more on Feb 15, 2012 3:07 PM CST reply actions
F Ryan Grant and Storks and Green and whoever we draft
Aaron Rodgers, MVP.
The day LeBron James wins an NBA championship will be the day I stop watching NBA basketball. Needless to say, it looks like I'll be watching for quite a few more years.
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