Matching Potential Free Agents To Potential Teams
by Brandon on Feb 17, 2012 1:00 PM CST
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The Green Bay Packers aren't going to sign any big name free agent from another team, but it's always interesting to speculate. A couple of the Packers own free agents are mentioned to other teams, while Pete Prisco picks a free agent for the Packers too.
Matt Flynn. He's listed as the best free agent for the Browns and Seahawks, two teams who could use an upgrade at quarterback. Though I'm not a huge Colt McCoy fan, I would expect him to improve with a couple of years more experience. But if I were the Browns, I'd rather find a franchise quarterback now rather than hope McCoy could become the next Drew Brees, who didn't really emerge as a good starting quarterback until his fourth pro season with the Chargers.
Jermichael Finley. To the Giants. I didn't really see that one coming. I'm not a fan of Mario Manningham, but I'd think the Giants would rather re-sign him. Plus, Jake Ballard might not provide much in 2012 as he recovers from a torn ACL, but he's a good tight end and he'll be part of their future.
Chiefs CB Brandon Carr to the Packers, and then Charles Woodson could move to safety. Though I'd actually expect Carr would replace Sam Shields and Woodson's role would remain unchanged.
I've seen Carr listed as the top cornerback available, or number two behind the Falcons CB Brent Grimes, but I've never been too impressed with Carr. He's a good player, but I wouldn't want to pay him $10 million per season. What do you think of him?
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We don't buy free agents
We build free agents and gain comp picks. We are a football factory.
As for Finley, I could see him more as a Broncos player. Tebow could use a mismatch like that at tight end, since he has trouble flinging the long ball.
Finley
Is not a match for the Giants. While Finley is a great receiver as a TE (all debates here aside), he is far from a good run blocker, something he Giants require from their TE’s.
Don’t really know to much about Carr, I’d have to look into that.
Although u are correct about run blocking
The Giants possess top tier coach’s in Pat Flaherty on the oline and Pope at TEs. and aren’t opposed to teaching the art of blocking ..
The reason i don’t see him going to the Gmen is Cap related .. A more likely target would be Scott Chandler from the Bills .. Cheap,young and groomable.
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by NorthStarr on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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are people looking at the cap space?
just like mario williams will price himself out of many teams, finley wouldn’t be able to work in many areas simple becuase he’ll be quite expensive. call it a terrible guy feeling, but if we don’t get finley back, look to see jermichael killing the packers twice a year for the bears, who desperately need recieving help, know his abilities to screw up defenses, and are willing to break the bank to beat their neighbors up north.
by Nels Winkler on Feb 17, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't CBS have Carr going to like 20 different teams? Don't think TT will top the list
willing to pay for his services… Not his style… If TT does go to FA, I expect it’ll be after the 1st wave, and it’ll be a mid tier FA, not a big name… Fits TT’s MO better… (Pun intended! : )
TT may even put more emphasis on signing 88 to a deal, so he doesn’t go to the Giants, Bears, Panthers, etc… ???
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Didn't CBS have Carr going to like 20 different teams? Don't think TT will top the list
willing to pay for his services… Not his style… If TT does go to FA, I expect it’ll be after the 1st wave, and it’ll be a mid tier FA, not a big name… Fits TT’s MO better… (Pun intended! : )
TT may even put more emphasis on signing 88 to a deal, so he doesn’t go to the Giants, Bears, Panthers, etc… ???
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Absolutely right...
I kinda expect Thompson to sign a FA this year, but it certainly won’t be a high priced one. He’ll go for a mid level role player w/ the ability to possibly be a spot starter. I would say the most likely positions are Safety and ILB. An upgrade to Peprah as a backup Safety that might have to start if Collins isn’t able or an ILB who is good in coverage. In regards to the ILB I would love to see them draft Nigel Bradham in the 4th or 5th round. He is already a very good coverage LB and would have a pre disigned role when he arrived that they could buld from.
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I would be very happy with a 5th round coverage ILB.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 18, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
For some reason I thought Brandon Carr was much shorter than 6’. At his actual size, he’s a much better fit for what the Packers want – with the Calvin Johnsons of the world at WR and the JFinleys at TE, I think the days of the 5’9"-5’10" corner are drawing to a close.
He played well enough against us last year to contribute to the upset – I would think that would show him in some good stead. I think the likelihood of him ending up a Packer is mighty small, because some other cap-happy team will spend more on him than Ted will – which is entirely reasonable. In a year or two with every team required to be within a few percentage of the league cap, free agents will find much slimmer pickings on big-money contracts, but this year will be very good to guys like Mario W. and Brandon Carr.
I don’t think the Browns are a likely landing point for Flynn. If they want a new guy, RG3 is sitting there and I think the Rams would love to trade down from #2 overall. Cleveland is the highest team with the ammo to do it unless the Vikings are going to draft QBs high in two consecutive years. Flynn is more likely to wind up in Miami than Cleveland, IMO.
And seriously people – Finley isn’t going anywhere this year. He might leave next year, but not this one. Like this morning’s post discussed, I would be stunned if the Packers don’t franchise him or sign him for a longer-term deal.
I hope flynn doesnt go to cleveland...
That franchise would slowly suck the potential out of him. I think Seattle would be the best fit of all the teams I’ve heard mentioned.
by WildPack86 on Feb 17, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Agree,
but Pete Carroll seems to know nothing about QBs in the NFL or the talent they need to play…Whitehurst..really? May be he’ll see the light and flick the switch for Flynn.
I hope he doesn't go there, either.
Do these experts think that Matt is some kind of magician? He’s not going to transform Mohammed Mossaquoi and Joshua Cribbs into Pro Bowl receivers, or make Peyton Hillis not suck.
I still hope Flynn goes to Miami... Even if we don't tag him... : )
Think Coach Philbin has the best chance to help Flynn succeed as a starting QB… Flynn knows Philbin, his philosophy, and most of all, his offense! Miami isn’t too far away from being a good team, and I think with a talent like Brandon Marshall to throw the ball to, Flynn will at least have a guy who can go up and get the ball, which should keep him in the conversation… Can’t wait to find out! : )
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Flynn to Miami is about as sure of a thing as there is.
I really hope Flynn ends up in Miami too. He will be decently protected with Jake Long at LT, Pouncey could be a good C, idk much about the rest of their line. He will have Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall to put up some numbers, and a decent defense too.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 18, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
while the coaching situation is good...
I wouldnt want to deal with a guy like Marshall. He’s not the most stable guy to have as your star WR. Maybe I’m just spoiled by the unselfish guys that the packers have but he seems to be the type who would cry if he and Flynn don’t quite mesh
by WildPack86 on Feb 17, 2012 7:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Part of the QB's job..
Is too make sure you mesh w/ your best recievers. Being a QB means alot more than just being able to play. It means finding ways to motivate and keep everyone happy and working together. Its called LEADERSHIP!
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by Strohman on Feb 17, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Correct
But a guy with a “personality disorder” and a past like his makes it much more difficult doesn’t it? Especially for a guy who would be going into his first starting gig
by WildPack86 on Feb 17, 2012 8:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know about his personality disorder...
Theres been a great invention tho… Its called medication… It helps disorders like that. Don’t know if he’s taking any, but have to think if diagnosed he is.
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by Strohman on Feb 17, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right...
Medication may or may not help with that. It likely won’t cure his other problem, stupidity
by WildPack86 on Feb 17, 2012 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
But he IS a very talented player...
Dislike him all you want, but Flynn had better find a way to get in good w/ him. I still think Seattle is more likely than Miami tho. I think Miami wins the Peyton Manning sweepstakes.
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I'm probably in the minority...
but I don’t think anybody is going to “win” the Peyton Manning sweepstakes.
He can’t throw the ball more than 20 yards and can only turn his head in one direction. He would be thrown in with a team that was not completely built around him. Also he was pretty much calling all the plays in Indy but will the O.C. of another team be willing to just hand him the keys even though he’s all jacked up and hasn’t played in a year?
If he comes back, he will not be the same. IMO it won’t even be close. That being said he’d probably STILL be an upgrade over Matt Moore so… there ya go.
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by Shamalamadingdong on Feb 18, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There is precident for QB's/players returning from similar surgeries.
Its a complete unknown if Peyton will or not, but nerves don’t heal like soft tissue injuries to muscles and ligaments. They usually go really slowly for a long time and then have a rather sudden turnaround. Any team that signs him is going to be taking a risk to some degree,thats a given, but there will be teams lining up to take that chance. And if they sign him its almost a given that he’ll be heavily involved in the design of the offense to smooth his transition to that scheme and help get all the players on the same page. I don’t think teams are gonna not look at him just cuz it would be a new scheme. And they aren’t gonna let an OC stand in the way of acquiring an elite QB in such a QB driven game/league.
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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And there's the kicker right there...
He would be thrown in with a team that was not completely built around him
Are you suggesting
Manning cant be successful if the offense isn’t built around him? He is an elite QB if healthy and can be successful in any offense.
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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, but it would take time.
He’s turning 36 in March, and I don’t think Seattle, Washington, or Miami will be a Peyton Manning away from a Super Bowl in 2012 (even then, that’s assuming that he fully recovers from his injury).
IMO he would be successful
in his 1st season. Yes, that’s assuming he’s healthy. Latest has Wash as the most likely landing spot. An elite QB will raise the level of play of everyone on offense and Wash D is already pretty good, as is AZ. He would be successful immediately in either place.
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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t understand this argument from people. Too me, that offense wasn’t as much built around him as it was just
him. For the first 8-9 years of his career he had a really strong supporting cast but starting around 2008 that wasn’t really the case. He’s had a weak OL and weak running game since then. And while his targets have been good, Wayne’s been on the decline for a couple years now, and he’s had a lot of injuries to his targets too.
That hasn’t mattered though because he’s probably the smartest QB to ever play the game. I doubt he’d struggle in the least to pick any offense up.
The only way Manning isn’t successful is if the arm strength doesn’t come back.
by packallday555 on Feb 18, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Stroh ~ Brandon Marshall's biggest hurdle was admitting he had a disorder...
With Dr’s knowing the problem, he’ll be able to keep the problem under control with medication. Think Flynn would be the best thing for Marshall… Good level headed kid… Think Philbin will be good for Marshall too…
Think Flynn to Miami would be a seamless transition… Seattle might be ok for him, but, think Washington would be a disaster, and Cleveland has no weapons and their line sucks… Would hate to see him go to Cleveland either…
Still say, re-sign Wells! Let Finley decide his own fate, offer him a fair deal, and if he wants to leave let him… Roll the dice and tag Flynn and trade him to Miami for a 2nd round pick!! : ) (Use that second round pick to draft that TE from Stanford! : )
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Or use that 2nd round pick on defense, scour college Basketball teams,
and find a TE that can block & catch! : ) lol TT will handle it, yet is it fun trying to figure out what the outcome will be!?! : )
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Couple really good articles on JSOnline
The top story about Bruce Irvin is really good and he sounds like he would love to be a Packer! He’s a big fan of Matthews the way it sounds. Also just to the left of the top story of Irvin is the Packers blog, which has a really good post about the Finley situation. Packers should sign him to a long term contract of over 6M w/ some incentives to keep him in GB.
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link to the page w/ the story and blog about Finley's situation.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/
I suggest reading both… Worth it to use 2 of the 20 free articles your allowed per month.
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Read that one as well. The stat about us being like 18-3 in games where he played a least a quarter vs. 11-5 in games he didn’t is pretty telling. Also interesting to see that in those 21 games with him we’ve averaged 32 points a game vs. only 25 points a game without him.
That alone almost makes him worth re-signing and then when you factor in that he’s only 25, and as talented as any other TE out there, that just puts it over the top for me.
by packallday555 on Feb 18, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Took me longer to find it than it did read it...
If you were referencing this article, it almost screams let him go!! The author admits that making Finley play under the Tag is a bad idea… Financially, it makes sense to tag him and then let him walk next year… But, I see a DeSean Jackson situation arising if we tag him at all…
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/139522168.html
So… I still think that it would be best to let Finley decide his own fate!! Offer him a fair contract, and let him decide if he wants to be a Packer or not!!
If we tag him and only pay him $5.5 Mil, it’s like a slap in his face, and then are we going to get his best? I doubt it… We didn’t get his best when he was under contract…
It’ll be interesting to see what TT decides… I for one think it’s a bad idea to tag him… Especially if we can’t get a deal done!
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it almost screams let him go!!
What about the winning 6 of 7 w/ Finley in the lineup and scoring 7.5 more pts per game w/ Finley suggests letting Finley walk? In fact I would argue it screams to sign him to a long term deal worth over 6M per.
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If your scoring 25 pts a game
that alone shows the offense is fine without him what screams is the defense,since he doesn’t play it,it doesn’t scream from his staying for extra 7 pts if your defense gives up more at times..
Not the way our D was last year.
If our D is playing lights out like in ’10, 25 a game is good enough. But we have no assurances the D will be better again. Just pointing out how much more productive the offense is w/ Finley and what a difference it is to win 6 of 7, as opposed to 2 of 3.
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An extra 7 points is pretty important! We don’t know how the defense is going to be. Will we find another pass rusher? Even if we do, how much of a drop do they take when Woodson and Pickett retire?
As long as we’ve got an offense that consistently put up 30+ points, we’ll always be a threat. I mean we were still able to dominate last regular season despite having one of the worst defenses in the league.
by packallday555 on Feb 19, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That TE from Stanford
Fleener isn’t nearly the impact player that Finley is. You just don’t like Finley, so your willing to downgrade at the position just so he’s not on the team.
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It has nothing to do with me not liking Finley, I will let TT decide his fate...
I just want him gone so you have to buy another Packer Jersery!! LMAO… Just kidding…
I just don’t see where Finley means as much to the Packers offense as everyone else!!
When the Pats got rid of Randy Moss, everyone said they were doomed, but, what did BB do? He adapted, he overcame the loss of Moss and went a different direction…
If we keep Finley, and he steps up, GREAT!! If he wants to much and we let him go, I may be the only one on the planet that won’t lose sleep over it!
Oh, and how do you know that Fleener wouldn’t be an upgrade? If he doesn’t drop the ball he’s an instant up-grade… LOL I don’t know anything about Fleener, but, I did see some idiot on NFL.com have us taking him in the 1st Round… (I doubt it! : ) But, can he block? Finley can’t and doesn’t…
Maybe our run game would improve drastically if we had a TE that could block?
You put Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Cobb all out there and there is going to be a LB on either Jones or Cobb, and isn’t that a mismatch?
My whole point is: Finley isn’t the end all of TE’s, and I truly don’t think if TT lets Finley walk, that we won’t be able to overcome!! Besides… If I agreed with you on everything, who would you argue with!?!? For every Pro there has to be a CON… Stroh… You’re my CON! LOL
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Fleener
Is an average at best blocker for a TE, thats not much better than Finley, who won’t get any credit for it but is decent. The NFL is a passing league and TE’s that can make plays downfield are at a premium. Fleener might be able to do that, but Finley is very good and we already know that. And enough of the drops…
Few snippets from the blog I mentioned on JSOnline…
Whatever you think of Finley, there’s no question he’s worth more than $5.5 million per year, especially when you consider salaries will skyrocket in 2013.
Over the last two season, the Packers are 18-3 in games in which he has played at least one quarter and 11-5 in all others. In the 21 games he played more than a handful of snaps, the Packers averaged 32.7 points and in the 16 he didn’t, they averaged 25.2.
The points scored in particular, is a huge disparity. But the winning 6 out of 7 vs 2 out of 3 is striking! And when we won the SB our D was among the top 3 in the NFL, last year they were the worst. So which are we gonna get next year? We are likely to need that extra TD (7.5 pts) per game even if the D improves to good.
At this point, it would be hard to make an argument that Finley wasn’t better than all but the top three tight ends on the list and given the decline of Witten and Gates, he very well be No. 2. Throw in New Orleans’ Jimmy Graham and New England’s Rob Gronkowski, who are both playing under first contracts, and Finley is still in the top five or six.
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I noticed you left out all the stuff about it may being a bad idea to tag him...
lol…
Green Bay – The Packers have every right to use the franchise tag on TE Jermichael Finley and force him to play for the expected $5.5 million number, but if they do their chances of getting him to take part in off-season workouts and get the most out of him in 2012 will diminish greatly.
If the Packers franchise Finley – they can do so any time between Monday and March 5 — they can expect him to challenge the league on whether he should be considered a wide receiver or a tight end given the number of times he split out wide in the Packers offense.
An arbitrator will decide the case and if the Packers lose, the franchise number would go up to about $9 million. Finley would sign it in a New York-minute and the leverage on a long-term deal would be completely on his side. He would gladly play for $9 million next year.
Even if Finley doesn’t win in arbitration, it sets up a contentious situation that could linger all the way to training camp.
One thing is for sure. If Finley is still under the franchise tag as the off-season wears on, it won’t be anything but bad for both sides.
I can grab quotes out of a story to bolster my cause too… lol
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I've maintained tagging him
as a means to get a long term deal worked out. Not letting him play for the tag and then letting him leave.
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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
OK Stroh ~ I get where you're coming from... But,
What if we offer him 6.5 mil and he wants 7.5 mil? He’s playing on the tag until we get a deal done, and if we can’t get that deal done, then it’ll be a very bad situation!
I have no problem with TT offering Finley a good contract. But, in the article you sited:
To say Finley, who is still at a very young age, isn’t worth more than Zach Miller, Mercedes Lewis, Heath Miller, Kellen Winslow or Greg Olsen is a major stretch. At worst, the market says he’s deserving of $6 million per year and if allowed to hit free agency it would be around $8 or $9 million per year.
So you are willing to pay him over 6 mil, but, what if he wants 8 or 9 a year what do you say then???
Just because if the Packers tagged us and offered us 6.5 a year to play and we would take it, doesn’t mean Finley will… I’m sure his agent is screaming in his ear 8 – 9 million a year…
That’s why I say offer him what TT thinks is fair, and let him make his choice… Forget the tag… Roll the dice, Tag Flynn and trade him to Miami for a 2nd round pick… Just my opinion, not trying to change your mind, because I know I can’t…
You are assuming that Finley will be realistic… If we tag him and he isn’t realistic, then what? Cancer in the locker room… Which we don’t need…
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I would have no problem
Whatsoever w/ giving him 7M w/ additional money for some incentives. Given that Zack Miller is making nearly 7M, that would seem the starting point to me. If we do tag him, I want it only as a means to buy time to work out a long term deal. Would prefer to have him signed, sealed and delivered by draft so he participates in the offseason program. If we don’t have to tag him, I’m all for that… Just seems thats where we’re headed.
When has Finley ever been a lockerroom cancer? He isn’t like that… He is boistrous and says whats on his mind, but has always been very well liked in the lockerroom.
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I meant it would become a cancer if he wants 8 - 9 mil... And we couldn't get a deal done...
The whole point is: What is TT willing to pay? 6.5? 7? 8? You would have no problem giving him 7M… What if TT offers him 7Mil and he wants 8Mil??? If we can’t get a deal done, it’s going to bad for everyone… Per your article…
If we don’t tag him, offer him a contract of 7Mil per year, and he turns us down, oh well! We can tag Flynn and trade him to Miami for a 2nd round pick and we’ll move on without him.
If we tag him, and he won’t sign a contract, I guess we could trade him before what? The 6th game? Not sure about that rule… But, I guess if he starts being difficult we can always trade him… I’m not your enemy Stroh, we just disagree on how to handle 88 : )
The funny thing is: TT gets paid to handle that, we’re just a couple fans arguing about how to get it done!!
You just don’t want to have to buy another JERSEY!! LOL
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7M as a starting point...
I know we’re just on opposite sides of this one a little. I’m guessing it’ll be higher than that . W/ Finley was ave 7.5 more pts per game and have won 6 of 7, while w/o we win 2 of 3. Can you really say that Jennings even has that kinda impact? And he makes 9.5M… I’ve always thought they were 1 and 1a. I can see a 7M contract w/ another 1M tied to games played and another 1M for other incentives. When the cap goes up dramatically in ‘13 that will be alot easier to swallow. And Finley is younger than Graham. I think Gronk, Graham, Finley and Davis are the 4 best young TE’s in the game and both Gronk and Graham will be very expensive when their rookie deals expire.
Just curious who you like at OLB? I REALLY like Irvin right now, Perry and Curry a little less, partly cuz I think we can get Irvin a little later, maybe in the 40’s compared to late 1st or high 2nd for Curry and mid 1st for Perry.
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I'm waiting for the Combine... : )
I haven’t really had a chance to look at the OLB’s, but, from what you said about Irvin, it’s got my curiosity peaked!
Like I said, I’ll let TT handle Finley, and trust he does what’s right for the Packers… I think I’d rather have Fleener in the 2nd round…. : ) lol
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I just read Irvin's Bio ~ Seems like a little bit of a thug...
If he’s the 109th ranked player, and he has character concerns, do you think we could get him in the 3rd round? Probably not huh? Would probably have to take him in the 2nd round, or move up to the top of the 3rd huh? Hey, if TT talks to him, and he’s cool with his past, I’m cool with it!! : ) Sounds like a good fit opposite CM3 though!
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Stroh ~ Here's a link to Bruce Irvin ~
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1779111/bruce-irvin
Bio is a little worrisome, but, if TT likes him in the 3rd, I won’t complain… : )
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Yeah he grew up in the streets
and was involved in drug dealing. No denying it..
But he got his GED, got out of the streets, went to a community college, earned a scholarship and IS a playmaker, at least he was in college. I’ve read everything on him and it seem to me that he has walked away from that life. Based on his play and outstanding athletic ability he should be rated much high. Don’t know why they moved him dowm. I’m pretty sure the first time I saw his ranking he was 60-65 or so. He is raw, but he is a pass rusher and if he tests at the combine close to what his athletic ability suggest he will go much higher. Pass rushing is obviously his strength, but he plays strong against the run, give outstanding effort. He needs experience in pass coverage, but should be fine at it based on his athletic ability.
On the field, Irvin is the first to say he’s a work in progress. Sure, he tore through the Big East. In two seasons, Irvin finished with 29 tackles for loss and 22.5 sacks.
He walked away from the streets and hasn’t looked back. Did you read the article on JSO?
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by Strohman on Feb 19, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Irvin
I agree with you that you shouldn’t worry about his character. He took himself out of that situation and seems like a clean kid as of now.
But all Irvin has going for him for the NFL is his pass rush and athletic ability. He only has one year starting experience, is going to be asked to play a completely different position, very raw technique wise, and is a liability in the run as of now. I will say that he is always giving great effort though.
In a few years he could be something, but right now he is a situational player and your betting on his upside. That’s why the combine is going to be so important for him. He is a great athlete, but everyone is waiting to see what his true measurables are (height and weight) as well as his strength. Watching him, most of his plays came from speed. Granted, he is playing with his hand in the dirt in a 3-3-5 defense, but he didn’t show the ability to consistently get off of blocks. He has a lot of questions surrounding him.
combine for Irvin
Is only going to help his case… If he measures 245 or better. If he’s only 235 then it will hurt him alot. But his size/speed ratio is incredible at 245 A true athlete is always going to be enhanced by the combine. Beside the measure of speed (40), quickness and change of direction (3 cone and shuttle), power/explosiveness (vertical and broad jumps) and strength. Some will be wowed by a workout warrior, but those days are mostly passed. A true athlete will excel in many if not all those areas and therefore be seen as having the most upside. Also I read in one article somewhere on Irvin that he has pretty long arms (mentioned incredible wingspan). That wil be a trait that helps him in the eyes of many scouts.
I think he’ll go from 107 on CBS, to a solid 2nd round pick (50’s to 60’s). He is raw to be certain, but sometimes that is a good trait (Sam Shields) in that he has a clean slate to teach him from w/o having to break old habits of others.
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by Strohman on Feb 19, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Im liking Donte Paige-Moss in the 6th
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 19, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
Double dip
Don’t be surprised if the Packers double dip at OLB. Getting a guy in the top 2 or 3 rounds and another late. They need to get alot better in quality and depth, IMO. Page-Moss would be a great late round guy.
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by Strohman on Feb 19, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Teams overpay...what do you want?
To say Finley, who is still at a very young age, isn’t worth more than Zach Miller, Mercedes Lewis, Heath Miller, Kellen Winslow or Greg Olsen is a major stretch. At worst, the market says he’s deserving of $6 million per year and if allowed to hit free agency it would be around $8 or $9 million per year.
Rodgers’ base salary next year is $8 mil. There are a lot of players who make more than him. Does that mean Rodgers won’t play as hard because he’s not being paid as much? What about Finley suggests to you that he’d be less willing to play for under his value than Rodgers would?
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I'm not saying he wouldn't... But, if we tag him and can't
get a deal done, I’m not looking forward to hearing about it all year. Hey ~ The kid is talented, and I’m not professing to know what he wants $$$ wise… But, if we tag him, offer him 6.5 mil and he wants 7.5 mil, it could become a war we can’t win…
I will admit, if he signs an under value contract, my opinion of the young man just went up ten fold… It shows me he’s a team player and I will go to bat for him any day!! How about that?
If he’s willing to take less to stay a Packer… I’m converted!!
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If he wants 7.5 after we offer 6.5
GIve it too him! Zack Miller is making 6.8, thats gotta put Finley at well over 7M.
Why does he have to sign an under market contract? Did Jenning do it? Is Rodgers gonna? What about Matthews, Raji, Woodson, Williams? Did they sign below market deals? He’a playmaker just like them!
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Hey Stroh ~ He doesn't sound too bad to me... : )
01/02/2012 – PLAYERS TO WATCH: TE Coby Fleener is the first-team all-Pac-12 tight end, and is the Cardinal’s big play receiver. He is probably more of deep threat than the Cardinal wide receivers. The third-fastest player on the team, the 6-6, 245-pound Fleener is an excellent athlete who has 10 touchdown catches, easily the most in the country by a tight end.
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Yeah Fleener sounds good...
But I sure as hell aint trading Finley out just so I can bring Fleener in, like you basically suggested… Get a deal worked out w/ Finley. Fleener might be a poor mans Finley. Your going from a Rolls Royce to a chevy…
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by Strohman on Feb 19, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey ~ Believe me, I know where you're coming from... And as I've said
7.3 mil times before, I’m sure TT will handle 88 in his own way. Just because I don’t think 88 is worth 7 mil a year, doesn’t mean TT doesn’t. I just think if we tag him, and can’t get a deal done, it could be a very bad situation, just as the article you sited, pointed out.
That’s just my opinion. If TT can sign 88 and he plays out of his mind, you KNOW I’ll be the 1st guy to admit I was wrong! I’ve admitted every time I’ve been wrong about anything!
Hey ~ The kid is potentially one of the best TE’s in the league, but, at some point you have to make a decision. That is TT’s job, not mine. I can only voice my opinion on the situation and in this situation, I choose to play Devil’s Advocate… : )
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Hey Stroh ~ I know we can agree that TT is the GM and whatever happens is his call! : )
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Any thoughts on how much Ahmad Brooks would cost?
I’d take a shot at him if he comes in the $3-4 million range (which sounds unlikely but I haven’t heard a thing about his expected salary would be). Otherwise I’d only be interested in secondary depth, as we really don’t have much money to spend in FA. But Brooks could help our pass rush while giving a guy like Irvin (who I’d like in the 2nd but love in the 3rd) time to develop and round out his game.
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