On The Packers 2012 Salary Cap And The Franchise Tag Option For Matt Flynn
by Brandon on Feb 2, 2012 5:00 AM CST
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Packers have some wiggle room with 2012 salary cap - JSOnline. Luckily Tom Silverstein has "a source with access to NFL salary information" so I don't have to find one. The good news is that the Green Bay Packers have about $7 million in salary cap room. Some of that is going to the draft class of 2012. The rest can be used to re-sign free agents, most importantly C Scott Wells and TE Jermichael Finley.
That doesn't look like it's enough room to get the job done. Here's a complete list of the salary cap charges for 2012. A couple veterans (LT Chad Clifton and WR Donald Driver) could have their contracts re-done, or find themselves released, to create some cap room. The Packers could turn existing 2012 base salaries for players into a signing bonus, and spread it out over the remainder of the contract. So there are other things they can do to create additional salary cap room.
But the article does make it quite clear how difficult it will be to give Matt Flynn the franchise tag. A one-year franchise tag at $14 million with only $7 million of cap room doesn't add up. I've always thought it was impossible that they could tag and trade him, but I can't believe that GM Ted Thompson would allow a valuable asset leave without receiving anything back in return.
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I’ve been saying all along that its just not going to happen. In order for us to tag him, we’d have to get free up some MAJOR space and then somehow get Finley to sign a deal that is very friendly to the cap this year while we finalized the trade and waited for Flynn to pass physicals and stuff. In the meantime we risk losing any FA that we haven’t signed while our cap space is taken up by a player we don’t want. On top of that, other teams then have leverage knowing that our cap space is in jeopardy. Just not going to happen, unfortunately.
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The roster is not written in stone!
I don’t think we fans were the only ones a little bit disenchanted with the play of a few guys on the “Day of Infamy” game. Could be some space freed up with some roster cuts. I also don’t believe Finley will be in a great position to be a hard case in contract talks after all of the drops late in the season.
Donald is a team guy and I’m sure will take a cut to remain so he can retire as a Packer. He earned his paycheck last season, especially in the Giant fiasco. Clifton would likely take a cut if he really wants to play another season, unless he is out right released. I hope he can play another season but he may be thinking more about fishing. Additionally we may have seen the last of Grant but time will tell.
I really can’t imagine TT letting Flynn out of camp without compensation. He is a starter on at least half the teams in the NFL. It wouldn’t surprise me to find that the phone has been quite busy about this situation and any team who really wants him will not take chances on missing out or risk the same money on a high pick that could bust..
I won’t second guess TT but I really believe Flynn could bring in a top notch DE if worked right.
BJK
by Crotext on Feb 2, 2012 8:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Could be some space freed up with some roster cuts.
Like DRIVER! He’ll be among the first to go… Followed quickly by Clifton. He’s already said he is gonna play this year, but its not happening in GB. Too many good young WR that need a chance to show what they’ve got. Even if he takes the vets minimum he still costs more than Gurley. In the Giants game he made his catches against mostly LB coverage. He wasn’t seeing the #2 or even #3 CB anymore. In that game he got nothing but LB and Safety coverge and still got only 3 rec!
Grants contract is already up and he isn’t included in the salaries for ’12.
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A third-round pick isn’t “nothing” as far as compensation goes. On one hand, sure – you’d like to be able to get more, and were he under contract he’d be worth more.
OTOH, he’s a UFA, and he deserves to be one. If he leaves for a mega-buck deal, the Packers will have seen a 7th round pick in ‘08 appreciate in value and become a 3rd round comp pick in 2013. That’s a lot better than nothing.
We should've traded Flynn last year when we had the chance
That’s then though, this is now. All we can do is live with that decision, most likely see Flynn walk as a free agent, and hope we get a 3rd round compensatory pick. Maybe we can release a bunch of guys to make the Tag possible, but it won’t be easy and it would all have to happen before the draft. That includes an actual deal to trade Flynn.
One game at a time...
Flynn was insurance
That’s like saying, “Man, I really wasted all that money on auto insurance last year because I didn’t have a car crash.”
Flynn was there for one purpose alone: to overcome the very real possibility that #12 got injured. If Flynn wasn’t there, we’re putting our playoff hopes in (gulp) G. Harrell. Not worth any draft picks, in my opinion.
Also, if Flynn got traded, chances are it would’ve fetched a lower draft pick anyhow. All any team had to go on was the Patriot game. It was the final Lions game that sealed his status as a coveted QB, not the Patriots game.
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by JSOnline Castaway on Feb 2, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
yep..
I think everyone but the coaches were a little unsure of what Flynn would do prior to that Lion game..
But the big picture is that Flynn was a 7th round pick that gave the Packers insurance while he was here and could be a 3rd round comp pick in the end…Not bad
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
Would you rather have insurance for one car or a stable of nice cars. Trading Flynn last year might have gotten us that great pass rusher that we lacked this year and maybe we are talking about winning back to back super bowls. Who knows what we would have gotten for him last year (or this year for that matter) but we likely would have had another valuable player on our team that may have helped us get to the next level in the playoffs.
You can’t talk about it like its hindsight when the people that are bringing it up were talking about it last year too. I want the strongest starting team on the field. I’ll give up some “insurance” to have the best team on the field and win titles.
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Well we are talking about the most important car, er position on the team
The Colts are getting roundly criticized this season for not having an adequate back up for Peyton Manning. I don’t think you can build the team as an all or nothing proposition every year. Back up quarterbacks are important.
by Ben T on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree. I was pushing for it then. Now its too late.
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Yeah, but there were connections there between Belicheck and Pioli. I’m sure that made finding a trade partner and working out a deal a lot easier for Belicheck.
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by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
miami
philbin.
very real possibility due to that connection.
or cleveland with holmgren.
by Acme on Feb 2, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I suppose. I’d love it if they could make it happen, as it’d probably result in another 1st round pick for us. I guess I’m just skeptical because I’ve seen quite a few articles about the chances being extremely slim.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
In that case,
more likely with Philbin than Holmgren.
What did Mike ever have to do with Flynn?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
It's a different situation
New England had the capability to slap the Franchise Tag on Cassel because they had the cap space. As of right now, Green Bay doesn’t have that option. We would have to release several players and restructure several contracts to make it happen.
One game at a time...
Thompson...
likes those 3rd round picks.
While it would be nice to do a tag-n-trade with Flynn, which I would like to see, he’s gone as a UFA. In the past, TT’s shown a tendency to stockpile lower round picks.
A compensatory pick can’t be traded. It seems TT is assuming GB will get a compensatory 3rd round pick for Flynn. This might enable him to trade a different thrid round pick for some additional choices or package it with a higher pick to change the Packers’ draft position.
Flynn was a 7th round pick and Thompson seems satisfied with a likely third round pick for Flynn’s departure. This also seems to indicate he’s not too concerned with Flynn signing with a NFC North or other NFC team.
Its time to kick Flynn out of the nest.. I’d actually like to see him as a starter.. It would make next season much more interesting
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"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Extreme Makeover - defense addition
I hope our offseason goes a little like this:
Goodbye Mr Walden, Goodbye Mr Lee, Thanks, but Goodbye Mr Grant and Mr Clifton, Thanks for taking a pay cut DD!
Headline: AJ Hawk takes tacklling lessons
Get Lost Mr Peprah!!!
Lets do this TT!
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
I don’t think Driver takes a pay cut, I think he just gets released. I love him as much as the next guy but if we keep him then why did we re-sign Jones and fight so hard to keep Gurley? And then factor in Cobb, who I’d guess will see much more time at WR after a full offseason, and there just isn’t really a spot for Driver.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
these are my hopes and dreams
don’t F*** with them – i understand the situation we are presently in.
Riddle me this: if we can stock 5 TE’s why can’t we have a 7th reciever? Boom
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
Haha, sorry.
You’ve gotta keep in mind that TE’s are usually good ST’s players. And that guys like Taylor, Crabtree, and Quarless when he was in there played ST’s.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, that and his third down conversion “dance” are great.
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by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Getting rid of Peprah is stupid
He is a backup safety and filled in well considering. I’m hoping we can keep him around because depth is always nice to have.
a body is not depth
he blows coverages/misses assignments consistently – keeping him is stupid.
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
Which is why he is a backup.
We can’t expect everyone on the team to be starter quality players.
cut losses
i understand back-ups aren’t as high of quality – but if there brain doesnt process formations/coverages – get a new back-up, for less money to boot.
=
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
Losing Collins
The thing is if we lose Collins and cut Peprah then that leaves us with Burnett and Jennings(UFA) left at Safety. In that case we would draft someone which we probably already will do but we lose a safety valve in Peprah. I don’t know how the free agency is for backup safeties but we could probably do worse than Peprah but we can also do better.
Chuck Woodson to safety
as a bridge to the future satety… That is if Nick has to hang ’em up.
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
We won a superbowl with him
Peprah can get us through games, which is what you want from your backup. We all knew he had problems in coverage, but he is usually a sound tackler.
If Collins doesn’t come back (I’m betting he gets the all clear from the doctors), its a very real possibility that Wood gets time at safety. Maybe not as a full time safety, but I’d bet we will see him back there more than a few times per game.
because nick collins flies around the field
covering up pepra’s mistakes, thx again nick!
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
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