NFL could add two new teams
by TrevorR on Feb 3, 2012 9:38 AM CST
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PrintPretty sure I don't like this idea but Goodell recently talked about the idea of adding two new teams if no teams end up moving to LA/Southern California. In this Yahoo article, Goodell discussed that adding just one team would create scheduling conflicts including having a team off every week of the season.
"We probably don’t want to go to 33" teams by adding just one new club if a suitable stadium is built in the Los Angeles area, Goodell said. Instead, the league would consider adding two. An odd number of teams would pose scheduling problems, including at least one club being off each week, and would create one division with five teams.
Further speculation mentioned that LA could house two teams, but logic says this would be a tremendous mistake. LA once had two teams and it ended up costing them both teams. There is still question for many of us if LA can even support one team really.
What I really hope though is that this need for a 34th team doesn't equal a team in London. I think it will be a tremendous burden on the league and players with the extra travel and what that does to the players. Plus, who's going to want to leave the country to play there...most of the players are probably going to want to sign with US based teams. I'd rather see a team in Canada than in London. I think adding teams in general is a poor idea though, the number we are at now is perfect.
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it would be absolutely stupid and here's why
Say you add one team to each conference. What you’ll have is one division in each conference that would have 5 teams. Not only would this lead to schedule conflicts but the discourse of the teams in those divisions would be tremendous. Think about it: say a team was added to the NFC North (which there won’t be). The Packers would then have to play 8 division games as opposed to 6; which would take away from the balance of the schedule of playing one NFC division, one AFC division, the other 2 corresponding teams that finished in the same position the year prior. It’s just not feasible…..you would basically have to add 8 teams and there’s NO WAY IN HELL that will happen
Yeah, it's not like divisions haven't been reorganized before.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
i'm aware of that
but you go from having 4 divisions of 4 teams each to each conference having 17 teams. i like the uniformity the NFL has had, though. that’s why i’m strongly against it
Though I agree with you TR...
Everything changes… Eventually there will probably be a European Division… I think that is their hope.
Surprises me that San Antonio doesn’t have a team yet, LA should have at least one team, what other US cities could support a team?
Las Vegas would be an idea, and with legalized gambling in Nevada, that would open up a whole other discussion. (Legalized sports gambling… )
Toronto, Mexico City, London, Montreal, Vancouver, San Antonio, Las Vegas, LA, could be eight right???
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No way Mexico City would get a team
I’m not even sure the city could support it, and even if it could, I think the safety concerns would sink it.
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Well, Mexico city is the largest city on the continent
but the altitude is so high and the pollution is so bad that I doubt any players would really want to go there.
Largest city, sure
Not the largest population of NFL fans, though…not by a long shot.
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nor the most wealth.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I think you nailed it on the head with safety concerns though
Mexico has the highest kidnap rate, and not to mention the drug war going on there. I don’t think too many people would want to go to games there just out of worry for their lives.
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by TXPackerBacker on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
LOOOATHE the idea of a European division. Again the logistics of it sound absolutely terrible. Build an EFL if you want (though you’ll have to create a whole different term for the sport since football is already a sport out there) but don’t try to much up a great thing by getting greedy.
First, you have the anti American/anti Football aspect to deal with
Second, you have to create a new name since football is already a sport
Third, you have to create a whole bunch of teams at once.
Fourth, you have logistical nightmares for teams traveling half a day to play a game (is it really even going to be competitive with the team that travels nothing…jet lag is for real)
Fifth, can’t we just have our own sport? Do we have to force everything on the rest of the world?
Sixth…well I could go on but I have a job to get back to…
That said, San Antonio is a legit option, though does Texas need ANOTHER team? I’ve always liked the idea of Vegas having a team, I bet a lot of people would travel to see their team play there. I don’t have a problem with any of the other cities but London, its really about the travel, 3-5 hours is doable…when you start talking 10-14 hours, its as HUGE competitive advantage for the London team when they play at home and a disadvantage when they are on the road.
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There won’t be a European football division, at least not until there are a sufficient number of Europeans playing at an NFL-level to help support teams. Considering that there are none at the moment that I know of, and only England to my knowledge has any sort of competitive Am. Football league, that is a far off dream for some.
Travel to London is closer to 8 hours. At least it is every time I go. I also think that you exaggerate the anti-American and anti-football aspect. It’s not strong in England, nor in the rest of Europe really.
Depends on where you are travelling from. Remember there are teams all over the west coast that would have to go there. Flight time from LA to London is over 11 hours.
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I was wondering about that. But since a lot of flights loop north, they don’t fly west to east, they cut a lot time. I’ve flown into Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore and D.C. and all were around the same time.
Yeah I looked it up but you are right, all of those are about the same cause the come from the north and aren’t that much further in distance like that. If you were flying into Dallas or something it would be quite a bit longer too.
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"though you’ll have to create a whole different term for the sport since football is already a sport out there"
Gridiron – works well when I discuss the game with non-North American folks.
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And, when there is,
Eventually there will probably be a European Division
the team from Norway will laugh at the Vikings. :)
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After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Yea, because everybody doesnt already laugh at the 'Queens
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by dallaspackerfan on Feb 4, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
The Norwegians will be laughing at
Vikings with horns.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
by NorthStarr on Feb 5, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
haha could you imagine if the Vikings had to travel there with their mascot in tote? Do you think the real Norwegians would be offended?
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I think they'd more or less laugh at them
and call them a bunch of idiots.
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by TXPackerBacker on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Wish i'd thought of that. :)
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
LOL
I don’t think they’d just be laughing at them for having horns though, Northstarr. I think they’d be laughing at them and calling them idiots just for thinking they’re vikings.
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by TXPackerBacker on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
True that, TXPB.
:D Vikings.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
LA had their chance, twice, and blew it
As much as sometimes I’d like to see the Vikings go there, it’s not feasible monetarily for the NFL because the fans there don’t give a shit and it’ll just cause problems later on down the line with relocating or just folding of that team. Plus adding teams would screw up the nice even way the scheduling is and the divisions are as Trevor said.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Feb 3, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Some History
LA had its chance a lot more than twice; the Dons of the late 40’s preceded the Cleveland/LA/Anaheim Rams, the Oakland/LA Raiders and the LA/San Diego Chargers. The NFL was OK in the town through the 50’s when they were the only pro game in town, but suffered badly with the 1958 arrival of the Dodgers, the 1960 entrance of the Lakers,and widespread televising of games. It didn’t help that the Rams had to fill the badly out-of-date Coliseum (compared to Chavez and the Forum) to avoid a TV blackout, and that they weren’t consistently competitive.
What are the chances for an LA expansion team to survive? Less than 50 percent. They’ll have a new stadium but some of the important negatives remain in place.
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You forgot the 1st LA football team: LA Bulldogs
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I Left Them Out...
…because they didn’t fit my narrative.
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guys
you forgot LA already has a pro team… with paid football players ;-)
by PackerFanInTN on Feb 15, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
TORONTO
fourth biggest market in North America.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
actually they would have already moved the Bills there if Ralph Wilson wasn't so obstinate...
and probably will whenever he’s no longer in control of the franchise… But goddamn, I want a team in my city sometime soon
football does not build character, it reveals character.
CFL's a joke, everyone knows this.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
The CFL is as similar to the NFL as the Arena Football League is
From my understanding the CFL has completely different rules, as evidenced when I tried to play football with a Canadian and he started calling fouls that don’t exist and talking about 3 downs to get a first.
No competition there whatsoever.
IMO Toronto would be a great city for a team. Its a large city, is a great tourist city, and has been successful with other sports teams. (IIRC Toronto’s MLS team is one of the better attended in the league)
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I don’t mean in any way that the NFL couldn’t compete with the CFL. That is a given. I’m not sure that they would want to. I think that there could be other ramifications beside simply that the Toronto NFL team would outdraw the Toronto Argonauts.
The Toronto Northmen might have
outdrawn the Argos.
But then, the Northmen’s numbers would have been padded.
Wouldn’t have mattered, though, because some obscure Canadian law kept them from ever playing in Toronto, and forced them to become the Memphis Southmen.
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After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Vancouver (with that beautifully renovated BC Place) would be an excellent option and would gain a ton of support from BC and other states close by.
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BC Place barely holds 50,000 people
also, Vancouver is less than half the size of Toronto. If there’s ever a team north of the border it’ll be in Toronto… don’t really have my hopes overly high for that though, which is not the worst because normal Bills tickets are dirt cheap compared to what they charge for the one game in Toronto every year, the season tickets would all be owned by corporations and old wealthy families, just like it is for the Leafs
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Expansion is the wrong way to go. There’s still a few struggling franchises; if we really need a team in LA, one of them will move there.
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Kind of how I feel. Lets not force this. 32 is a great number, someone will get out there soon enough.
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36 would be a great number, too
Not sure you could have 4 additional teams, but I wouldn’t mind going back to 3 divisions per conference of 6 teams each, and having 3 wild cards instead of two. Depending on where the expansion comes from, it could work.
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Man another alignment. I could see the argument for 36 working, but the idea of another alignment sounds painful. Could be an interesting dialogue…who comes to the NFC North?
St. Louis would be an obvious one…maybe Kansas City makes the leap to the NFC (hard to imagine KC as an NFC team though). Other ideas?
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I was thinking StL & SF
but it depends on what cities are added. Busting up the NFC West, and moving Seattle back to the AFC West probably makes the most sense.
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yea
depending on where the 4 teams go i would say St. Louis as well
St Louis would be a logical choice
but there would also be another team if they do six 6 team division. Due to the long-standing rivalry between the Rams & 49ers, that would make sense to have SF as well.
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They want a team in southern California?
Where is San Diego again? And why does that state need 4/5 teams?
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yeah I would much rather a team move to a Vegas or Toronto then having one state have 1/6 of the NFL teams.
by Tracker J Dunn on Feb 3, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Heck, Oklahoma City would make plenty of sense.
I could even kinda see Mexico City.
2011: A wasted year
OKC has enough people to support a Basketball arena, not sure they have enough to fill a
FB stadium on a regular basis. Especially with OU FB in Norman…
It will be interesting to see what happens 20 years from now…
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OKC would have less support than Jacksonville
College football is king, and if they care about the NFL, most people in OKC are already established Cowboys fans. I don’t think they’re even on the NFL’s radar.
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20 years from now,
the fans of whichever teams have won the most International Championships (excluding Packers fans, of course) will be acting like idiots who think that pre-internationalization NFL history is irrelavant, and that pre-internationalization championships don’t count. :)
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
by NorthStarr on Feb 4, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
This is the Steelers fans to a T.
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by Celtin on Feb 4, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
They Didn't...
…for the Dons, the Rams, the Chargers, the Raiders. I think the NFL is smarter than to break its pick yet again on the LA market. Then again, that assumes facts not in evidence.
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Clearly they aren’t or they wouldn’t be going through the amount of work they have been to try to get a team there.
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I don't know if the NFL is the one doing the work.
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Did you read the article? Goodell clearly wants a team in LA and if a team isn’t going to move there it sounds like he’s willing to add teams to make it happen
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What I'm saying is that the stadium developers are the ones who are doing the work to bring a team to LA
The NFL does want a team in LA, but they’re not the ones doing the work…
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The NFL needs to take a lesson from Starbucks
“More franchises” does NOT equal “better results”.
Scarcity is one of the pillars of the NFL’s success. Scarcity of games make the games more compelling. Scarcity of playoff spots (compared to the NBA and NHL) make the games more significant. Scarcity of resources (a hard cap) give every team’s fans hope each year. Scarcity of roster spots make training camp, free agency, and the draft must-see TV.
Leave the golden goose alone.
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by JSOnline Castaway on Feb 3, 2012 5:02 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
Agree completely
The enemy of good is better…
1)You have perfect divisional alignment so don’t screw with it.
2)You don’t have the crazy travel disparity that you would see if you added a European team.
3)You already see a significant dilution of talent as each season wears on due to injuries,so you’re going to dilute the talent pool even greater by adding more teams and a hundred or more players minimum.
Can someone in the NFL please use their head on this one? Take the 1 or 2 struggling franchises and move them to a new site, preferably in the US.
dilution is a very good point I hadn’t seen mentioned yet…very solid point. You think about the difference when you fantasy football between a 10 and 12 team league…and then a 12 and 14 team league or if you allow 2 more roster spots. This is a significant aspect to address as well!
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The Texans & expansion Browns came around the turn of the century
before that it was the Jaguars & Panthers. in ’95
Then the Buccaneers & Seahawks in ’76
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Every decade?
Sounds like it’s been a couple teams every decade. So it wouldn’t be a big surprise.
the last 17 seasons we've seen 4 (5 if you wanna be technical (sorta) teams added
1995 – Jacksonville and Carolina
1996 – (sorta) Cleveland to Baltimore
1999 – Cleveland (rebirth)
2002 – Houston
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Ravens don't count
Throw in the LA→Oak Raiders & LA→StL Rams if you’re counting them.
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What I was just thinking, too.
You can count the Ravens, OR the re-born Browns, but not both.
Before the 1995 expansion, there were 28 teams.
Now, there are 32.
The math is simple.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
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After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
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add enough to keep even divisions, tack on 3-4 games on the schedule to keep things similar. This is stupid too however, they really should just keep this as it is atm. LA has USC CFB, LA Lakers, hell they have the clippers now. I don’t think a NFL team would fare any better there now than they’ve done in the past.
by packermussupreme on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions
Keep the clownshoes to your mess of a thread, please.
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by Tepo6688 on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
A place you are no longer allowed to post in.
Thank goodness.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe, but I think they're too close to the Seahawks
The Pacific Northwest wasn’t able to sustain both the Sonics & Trailblazers, and I’m not sure it would be a different story with the NFL.
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MLS has 3 teams in that area
Vancouver Whitecaps, Seattle Sounders, Portland Timbers and all three do really well. Also those three put on some of the best rivarly games to date.
by king.nothing on Feb 4, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
The MLS is different...
They don’t need as large a fan base as an NFL team wants.
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Fortunately for MLS
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Eh basketball is a totally different world than football. Not to mention that Seattle leaving wasn’t all about attendance. The Sonics were a pretty beloved franchise. I think Portland would do just fine supporting a team.
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I'm not sure how supportive Portland would be of a team.
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Extremely supportive.
Based on what I’ve seen when I’ve gone to Portland for Christmas, I’d say there’s a heck of a lot of Seahawk fans in Portland. If they ever got an NFL team, they’d sell out their home games for sure (unlike LOL JACKSONVILLE).
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 5, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
They only like the Seahawks because it's ironic
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Not the case.
Seattle is the closest pro football team in the region. There are a few SF and Oakland fans, along with Denver and SD, but I’d say Seattle leads the way in the Portland region.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 5, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Few Ideas
Mexico City – Maybe the additonal revenue would help clean up the city. Doubt it but hey…
Portland – Oregon football is on the up. Bringing in an NFL team now would have an instant fan base.
Las Vegas – Yes and no. Pretty sure NFL isn’t going to want to put a team in Sin City, but hey crazier things have happened.
Nebraska – Some reason, I think it could work.
Toronto – Buffalo already plays a game there. You know how the fans reacted there.
Canton – Call me crazy, but I think a team in the home of the NFL Hall of Fame area would do great. Them and Akron could combine on the team (23 miles apart). Only down fall is Browns and Bengals both control that state.
Oklahoma – Another big college football central. Feed off that hype.
Alabama – Same reason as above.
That is just some that come to mind.
fun fact about Mexico City
it’s a less dangerous city, statistically, than Washington, DC.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I meant from the polution and run down areas type of clean up.
But hey, we have to beat Mexico at something else. Take a win while you can I guess.
by king.nothing on Feb 4, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Which is why the stadium & offices of the Redskins are in the safe suburb of Landover, MD
What’s the safe suburb of Mexico City again?
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I think its called the United States.
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by TrevorR on Feb 4, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Border cities in the US are pretty dangerous, too.
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Yup…not as dangerous as their Maquiladoras sister city though.
San Diego vs Tijuana
McAllen vs. Juarez
They have some dangers but nothing like the one on the Mexican side and its getting much much worse with time.
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Ojinaga, MEX/Presidio, TX
I crossed there with a guy named Mohammed Abdul Dawood Jabbar. Needless to say, there was some trouble getting back across the border…
and I think you meant this:
McAllen vs. Reynosa
El Paso vs. Juarez
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That Jabbar guy
must have been cursing you
for making that so difficult for him.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
by NorthStarr on Feb 4, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He's an atheist
and cursing his father for naming him that.
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LIKE: Las Vegas, Portland, Omaha (could draw off a regional fanbase),Toronto (though I’d want to see Buffalo moved there otherwise its too close), maybe OKC.
Dislike: Alabama, Canton (enough teams in OH and in that area in general), Mexico City. Adding more teams in general
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I think Buffalo & Toronto can co-exist
That area of southern Ontario supports 25% of the CFL franchises, and I think Canadian National Pride would prevent many Bills fans north of the border. Plus, they’d get a lot of fans all across Canada (well, except in Quebec).
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Fuck Quebec.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
You think? The Bills are barely making it there now. I have no doubt Toronto could support a team even with the Bills there but I wonder if the Bills would die a slow death as a result.
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Possibly
I think the avid fan support in Buffalo would be enough to sustain them. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of people coming from across the border to watch Bills games, anyway.
Plus, with the NFL’s revenue sharing, a team has to be run pretty incompetently to not survive. They’ve always drawn quite well considering their market.
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judging by the bridge traffic, there are a ton of people going to Bills games from southern Ontario
but I don’t think a Toronto team would kill them. I think they’d still get almost as many Canadian fans, because the Toronto team would charge at least twice as much for tickets and they’d all be owned by corporations and rich people… Just like it is in hockey, the Canadians who can’t afford to see the Leafs buy Sabres tickets. could work in football also. The Bills already have the cheapest tickets in the league
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I've never been to the area, so I'll take your word for it.
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Some crazy ideas!
I’ve been to a high school game in Canton, Oh with 40,000 people in attendance. But there isn’t an NFL stadium around, and that area has been hard hit economically. I don’t think it could support an NFL team. I’ve got lots of family in the area and I was looking at housing prices, and you can get houses for under $10,000. Though Columbus could work.
Las Vegas could work. It would be pretty hot for those early games.
Portland might work, too.
Memphis could work. It would attract fans from Alabama and Mississippi, too.
Re: heat…if they can make it work in Phoenix, I think they can make it work in Vegas. Probably a retractable roof stadium. Memphis is an interesting idea too.
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Memphis is too close to Knoxville where the Titans play
plus you have some Ram and Saint fans in that region as well, probably Cowboy and Chief fans as well
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huh? the Titans play in Nashville.
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Knoxville is where the Vols play
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vols... holla
NFL KNOXVILLE! They could play in Neyland Stadium, aka the Big Orange Bowl…
Seriously though I don’t think the Southeast could support another franchise. You’d just wind up pulling fans away from the Panthers, Falcons, Titans, Saints, and the Florida teams. There’s not a bunch of disenfranchised fans there that need a team to latch onto.
by PackerFanInTN on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
40k?
Where in Canton, Oh would you be able to have 40k in attendance? Fawcett Stadium holds a bit over 22k. And as someone from Canton, I can assure you that even in the best of times, supporting the Brownies is about as good as it could get. These days, Canton is a shell of its former self. And there’s simply no way to add a third pro team to Ohio, even though Columbus is now the largest city. Economically, it would make more sense to collapse the Clowns and the Bungles into one Paul Brown-themed team and relocate it to Columbus.
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by PackersOwnersBox on Feb 6, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
A few comments
Mexico city would be too dangerous for the athletes on the field and the American away fans.
Some things that the NFL could look forward too:
1. Smog that has literally caused athletes to cough up black blood
2. Fans who are so anti-American that they have led chants of “Osama” when the Star Spangled Banner has been played.
3. Batteries thrown at opposing fans and players.
4. High altitude combined with heat is a dangerous combination for athletes.
Here’s some links discussing USMNT’s experiences in Mexico City. Here & here.
Not convinced that the Pacific Northwest can sustain another team.
Las Vegas- Agreed about the NFL. Won’t want to associate the league with gambling.
Nebraska- All about college football. Don’t think the area could support an NFL team.
Toronto- Love this idea. I think this should be the next expansion.
Canton-Ohio can’t support 3 NFL teams plus O$U. Won’t last
OK & AL-See Nebraska. Plus AL is a lower income state. Won’t open up any new lucrative markets.
Other than Toronto, I could see expansions to LA (only one team and should probably just move the Jags there), San Antonio, potentially Vancouver (though could be similar issue to Portland) or VA/NC (though might be too close to the DC market)
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Opinions from these.
Mexico City- I like but I’m not sure if it will happen in the near future. The NFL seems persistent on the idea of an out of country team, and this may be the one.
Nebraska- I actually like this idea alot, and I agree that it could work.
Toronto-Buffalo would likely have to move for this to happen, and I’m not sure I’m for a franchise with so much history moving. However, I like the idea of Canada having a team.
Canton- I don’t like this. Ohio already has two teams, as you said, 3 is too many.
Oklahoma- The Thunder are doing wonderfully down there, and college football is plentiful, it could work. I’m not sure how big their market will be, so I’m undecided.
Alabama- I’m not sure about this, same as Oklahoma. I don’t think there is a huge need for an NFL franchise.
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The problem with Portland is that they've run out of room to put a large enough stadium.
They’d have to demolish Jeld Wen Field or substantially upgrade it capacity wise. Add in the mess that Portland parking is…and yeah, there’s logistical problems.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 5, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
As a resident of Nevada I would love Vegas to get a team
The problem is the casino’s are not allowed to put the team on the sport books and will lose a lot of money and right now casino’s can’t afford it.
Totally against expansion
If I haven’t already made that clear above. If you need to relocate the 2 franchises that are struggling the most to fill seats (St. Louis and Jax), then I’d think about:
Salt Lake City……1.2 million metro population. Would also draw from Provo. Utes and BYU cougars draw big crowds so its not like they don’t like football. Also more appropriate for the team name. You would see rams in the Wasatch mountain range of Utah, would you not? The only ram your gonna see in St. Louie is in a zoo.
San Antonio…..Metro population of 2.2 million. Only problem I see is luring longtime Cowboys fans away, but they may be ripe for the picking the way Dallas has underachieved for several years running.
OKC, LA and Portland…..Might work, then again might not. Its a crap shoot. The one reason I like LA is that its population base is so huge, even though it hasn’t worked in their favor in the past on multiple occasions, which makes me nervous. We know they would sell out against GB and Pittsburgh. Can they sell out against everyone else?
Crazy talk:
Mexico City….Many reasons listed above, safety being the most important.
Toronto…..Too close to Buffalo.
Memphis…..Too close to Nashville ( TN Titans)
Las Vegas…..This would work if it weren’t for the gambling connection
Canton…..Pipe dream. Although who wouldn’t like to see a reincarnation of the Canton Bulldogs, an old ACME Packer opponent from way, way, way back in the day. Plus my high school team mascot was a bulldog.
yeah if/when Toronto gets a team, it's the Bills they're going to get.
and with the way that whole city is struggling, as well as failing to support the team, it’s only a matter of time
football does not build character, it reveals character.
and by 'that whole city' I mean Buffalo
Toronto is certainly not struggling lol
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Agree
there has been talk for a few years now hasn’t there? Would also satisfy Goodell’s desire to go “international” although he has this fetish with London that I’m not sure I entirely understand.
they would have already been moved there if Ralph Wilson wasn't so stubborn.
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As much as I would love a team in my homestate of Utah
It won’t happen. Even with it comes to the Utah Jazz/Real Salt Lake/Salt Lake Bees/All College Teams, they canNOT play any home games on Sunday. Most don’t play away games on Sundays. So unless the state changes it way of life I doubt it. Its the Mormon lifestyle. I am Mormon and I see the reasoning behind it but would still love a team.
Does that go for watching games or just playing in them?
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So then, your assumption is that the guys on your team would be local or Mormons which they likely would not. Man…is that really true? Is it even worth playing football if you are a Mormon then, you never really can have hopes of being a pro and keeping your religion. Right?
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There must be some way around it.
Omaha?
I’ve lived in the Omaha area for a small regrettable time and it wouldn’t sustain an NFL team. Very few people there care about the NFL due to their love of the Blackshirts.
by DefenseWinChampionships on Feb 5, 2012 6:51 PM CST reply actions
The Huskers are the only game in town.
And they aim to keep it that way. When Nebraska-Omaha went D1, they were forced to shut down their football and wrestling programs.
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San Antonio and Los Angeles
Should both get a team
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Is it just me
or are 90% of your comments on SBN saying stupid shit just to try and irritate other people?
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
or is it truth
jacksonville is ready to lose there team, cincy gets blacked out weekly, MN has a hole in their roof, and we are talking about putting teams in OKC, San Antonio, LA (that has worked before), etc.
now stfu tepo or add someting to the discussion, nerd.
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
The thing is, those teams still make money due to revenue sharing...
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no question
but it dilutes the talent pool – the league is thriving, i dont understand the need to expand, just continue to tweek the small things…
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
Roger Goodell Backs Off Expansion Talk After Being Reminded Of Jacksonville Jaguars
http://www.theonion.com/articles/roger-goodell-backs-off-expansion-talk-after-being,27332/
NEW YORK—Amid talks of “possibly adding a 32nd team” to the National Football League, Commissioner Roger Goodell was reminded by aides Tuesday that the Jaguars have been playing in the AFC South for more than a decade. “Oh, right, of course! The Jaguars,” a sheepish Goodell said at a press conference originally called to discuss possible new NFL cities. “Teal, right? But not the Panthers. Teal, cats, not very good—you can see how we got that wrong. We will certainly be making internal adjustments to ensure we don’t forget them again.” Goodell did say, however, that the NFL was still interested in someday fielding a team in a large warm-weather city such as Los Angeles; San Antonio, TX; or even Jacksonville, FL.
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