Super Bowl Recap: Giants Beat The Patriots, 21-17
by Brandon on Feb 6, 2012 7:01 AM CST
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New York Giants Win Super Bowl XLVI, 21-17 - SBNation.com. This isn't intended to be the best or most detailed Super Bowl recap of the Giants win over the Patriots. I was eating and drinking and talking with friends at a Super Bowl party, and not watching every play. But here are a few things I saw.
The Giants had no turnovers once again. Against the Packers, Eli Manning air mailed a pass in the middle of the field that was intercepted by S Morgan Burnett. That turned out to be the only turnover the Giants allowed in four playoff games. The Giants deserve a lot of credit for being careful with the ball, but they got some fumble luck against the Patriots.
Forcing a fumble is something a defense can do, but recovering a fumble is a 50/50 proposition. It's hard to predict where a football is going to bounce. WR Hakeem Nicks had one fumble that luckily bounced backwards and away from multiple Patriot defenders. RB Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled deep in Giants territory, and I don't know how that one Patriot defender missed it, but OL Chris Snee fell on the ball instead. And the Victor Cruz non-fumble that never happened due to a penalty, but actually bounced in favor of the Patriots.
The Patriots best starting field position was their own 29 yard line. You hear talk about winning the field position battle, and the Giants got it done. One of the hidden keys to the Patriots victory in the AFC Championship game was that the Ravens had lousy field position throughout the game. The Giants didn't have great field position either, but the two drives with their best starting field position (their own 35 and 48 yard lines) led to field goals. The Patriots started three drives inside their own 10 yard line, including one that led to a safety.
There were other key plays such as the Mario Manningham catch that was just barely in bounds or the Wes Welker drop. Both teams made each of them work for everything they got. And the Giants made just a couple more big plays to come away with the victory.
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Was it just me
or did anyone else find that game to be boring apart from the last 5 minutes. I felt like I was watching an NBA game where you could have missed everything but the last 4 minutes of the game and still feel like you didn’t miss anything. I thought NY brought their B-/C+ game and NE brought their C game yesterday.
A close SB doesn’t necessarily mean a great SB if both teams aren’t playing their best football. The great SBs have a slew of memorable plays and game-changing moments or a dominant individual performance. What are we going to remember from this SB 4 or 5 years from now? I would argue…nothing. Manningham’s catch was good, but it stood out more because there were so few great plays in this game. I would argue that Jennings catch down the middle on 3rd and 10 in the 4th Q was every bit as good in last year’s SB and was just one of many memorable plays. Will we remember Bradshaw’s score which was the result of the Patriots D clearing out an open path for him and his inability to sit down at the 1, like Coughlin instructed him…..sad. We weren’t watching a dominant defensive performance either. SF’s D makes the D of these 2 teams look average at best. Clock management was terrible.
Classic example of the game not living up to the hype, at least for me.
by Icebowler on Feb 6, 2012 10:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Where to start?!
1. Last years game wasn’t any better to watch.
2. Jennings catch pales in comparison to Manningham’s.
3. This sounds like sour grapes.
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by bleedblue12 on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not saying you guys didn't deserve to win...
and congrats by the way. You are SB champs and no one can take it from you. I’m just saying I’ve seen the Giants and Pats play much better this year and I wish I would have seen both teams aggressively push the ball down the field. I think your crazy if you think either team played its best game. Tell me how many plays in this game were over 25 or even 20 yards? It was dink and dunk. I’ve seen alot of sideline catches and toe taps in bounds between defenders, maybe because I’m used to watching GB’s receivers, but let’s not make this more than it was. This was not a David Tyree catch. Big plays on offense , defense and special teams are memorable and this game didn’t have many in any phase. If you’d like me to elaborate on how many big plays and momentum swings were in last year’s game I’d be more than happy to.
Some SBs just don’t have many memorable plays like the Pittsburgh/ Seattle game or the New England/Philly game.
To be fair, almost no game could have lived up to the hype. Sorry if it sounds like sour grapes, but when it’s your team that wins, its the greatest feeling ever and you tend to view the game with rose-colored glasses. I’m sure we’re all guilty.
I take it you don't recall all the blowouts we had to sit through in the 80's and 90's
The Pats MO is “dink n dunk” The Giants( a big play O) was playing vs a shell D allowing plays of the short verity.Eli isn’t going to force it into double coverage.
2007 was void of "big plays " until the final mins. yet it was one of the best of all time.
top 10 ? no. boring? lol!
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You were playing against
the worst D in football this year period. Everyone expected a lot more out of your offense. The so-called shell D is a pretty lame excuse and should have allowed your run game to thrive as well. If your receivers are as good as you say they are, they will find a way to get open deep more than once a game. Its not like the Pats were rushing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage every play. Your offense was boring minus 1 perfect throw and catch. Oh wait, you did have that memorable rushing TD through the teeth of Pats D. LOLOL!
Here' a suggestion:
1. Last year’s game featured about 7 or 8 plays over 20 yards. I can specifically recall 4 last night.
2. Manningham’s catch was better. Jennings’ does not “pale”. You don’t have to resort to hyperbole to make your point. It only makes people not want to take you seriously.
3. Congratulations on winning the title. There’s your free compliment. Now that you have it, would you mind being more respectful?
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Feb 6, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know between Jennings and Manninghams
I don’t think they can be compared at all. Jennings had two huge catches that were both tough. The first was that TD in which Rodgers threaded the needle and Jennings gets whacked from behind by Troy. The second was on that 3rd down reception where Taylor actually got a hand on the ball and Jennings still secured it.
Both Jennings catches were huge, as was Mannighams’ catch. If Jennings or Manningham do not catch those passes, we might have different SB winners. But to suggest one pales in comparison to the other is a joke. I can’t even say if one was tougher/better than the other. Troy separates a lot of balls from receivers with big hits, but getting two feet down like Manningham did isn’t the easiest thing to do either. And catching a ball that has been tipped that you can barely see isn’t the easiest thing either.
This
You don’t have to resort to hyperbole to make your point. It only makes people not want to take you seriously.
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Giants fans? Respectful?
Please. There are some like that, but the ones that are coming here today, instead of celebrating at BBV, are nothing but trolls looking for an ass-kissing.
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
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Coughlin did no such thing. Eli yelled after the hand off to get down. Other than that he had no instruction from the sideline to not score. Do yourself a favor and do some research before you throw out statements as facts.
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by bleedblue12 on Feb 6, 2012 11:05 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not even close...
This game was nowhere near as exciting or well played as the last SB IMO. 1 play over 25yds and it was the fantastic catch by Manningham. If I were a Giants fan I suppose I might feel differently but I certainly wouldn’t argue it was a great football game to watch.
by Eman6880 on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The record has shown that Coughlin did tell Eli
but you’re right Eli may have kept it a secret in the huddle, so Bradshaw may have had no way of knowing and wasn’t able to realize himself what was going on (even though he should have).
Honestly, as a Giant fan, I have to agree about it being boring if you had no team to root for
There was some sloppy play and dumb penalties and inopportune times. As a Giant fan, I am of course glued to every play, but I can see where it might have been a little boring.
One thing to note though is that your point of view is coming from a guy whose team puts up 40 and gives up 30, so if you are used to an offensive explosion Giants vs. Pats is not for you. Me, I love defense. I love to see defensive struggles where defense dictates a game. I don’t want 10-6, but both teams scoring around 20 is exactly my kind of game. Just something to think about.
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You make a good point
Historically the Giants have always taken a very good defense to the SB and have won it every time they’ve gone to the big dance. Last night was no exception. You don’t need to put up 40, you just need to outscore your opponent. Eli was clutch and got them the points when they most needed them.
I'm with you...
I didn’t think it was the most exciting game I’ve ever seen, but it was a good game nonetheless. And I didn’t really have a rooting interest in it either… I’m also w/ you about seeing Defensive games where points are at a premium. I grew tired during the year of all the 40 point games, all the 400 and 500 yd passing games but very mediocre QB’s. Its just gone way overboard and when I see a tough hard-fought defensive game I can really appreciate it. Football games are supposed to be 40 point explosions by both teams and 400 or 500 yd pass fests by both teams. THey are much better when they are played in the 20’s scoring and when its a great game by a QB who puts up 300 yds!
Have always had reservations about Eli, but after winning a SB, you have to give the guy his due! As of right now, I would put him as the #2 QB in the NFC behind Rodgers and about #4 overall. He now gets my nod over Brees, based on the fact that Eli can win in any weather and in any playing conditions! Brees has never won a road playoff game and is poor away from home, much less in cold weather! I consider him on an even level w/ Big Ben, maybe just a touch behind Brady and another touch short of Rodgers!
Congrats on your 2nd SB win over the Pats! I love that you beat Brady and Belchick again!
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He didn't win the SB, the team did.
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Yeah, just like Rodgers didn't win the SB
THE TEAM DID… Your argument has to work BOTH ways…
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Yes, of course it does
I never said Rodgers was great because he won the SB; there’s other things to point to that make him elite. In fact, I said he was elite before he won a SB. So, yes, the argument works both ways, it’s just that there is other evidence to support Rodgers whereas there’s precious little evidence to support Eli. I don’t think Roethlisberger is elite, either, and he has two rings. Not sure what you’re trying to prove here…
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Ben is top 5.
maybe you dont put much credence into QB accomplishments ,outside of Stats. But the people who matter do.
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Winning a SB is not a QB accomplishment
It is a team accomplishment.
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according to u.. not the rest of the word.
its a box, you’re aloud to step out of it.
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No, really, it is according to the rest of the world
Ask lots of people who won SB XXXV. I’m pretty sure very few people would answer “Trent Dilfer”.
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I wouldn't have answered that correctly either. regardless the QB.
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I'll say this much
Big Ben’s SB performances leave a lot to be desired. The first thing he did after the SB win against Seattle was apologize to Steeler nation in front of the world because the defense carried the day and he played awful. Some of the worst stats you’ll see by a SB winning QB. He had the one memorable drive against a way overmatched Arizona team, where the 96 yd Steeler INT return put them in a position to avoid the upset. Last year, 2 huge picks and a pretty subpar performance against a GB team that had to adjust on the fly after losing their best DB (Woodson) before the half. He does play very well leading up to the SB most years, but in the big game, not so much.
by Icebowler on Feb 8, 2012 1:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He had the one memorable drive against a way overmatched Arizona team
whaaa? Tha Giants played (and beat ) both these teams that year and the Cards were far from “overmatched”
I also would take it a bit easy on him being as not many 2nd yr QBs will light it up in a SB.
GB team that had to adjust on the fly after losing their best DB (Woodson)
I would also debate that but i digress.
He does play very well leading up to the SB most years, but in the big game, not so much.
To say he doesn’t play well in the big game is just wrong. “big game”/Playoff stats…
2010 vs. Balt. 19 -32 226 yds 2 td 0int
2009 vs. Ariz. 21 -30 256 yds 1 td 1int
2006 vs Cin. 14 - 19 208 yds 3td 0int
2006 vs. Den 21 -29 275 yds 2 td 0int
hes had good and bad big game stats , but so have guys like Peyton Manning.
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Those aren’t top 5 QB numbers. Those are good QB numbers but by no means top5 or elite…closer to game manager numbers than great QB numbers.
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umm....
statement:
He does play very well leading up to the SB most years, but in the big game, not so much.
response:
To say he doesn’t play well in the big game is just wrong. "big game"/Playoff stats…
2010 vs. Balt. 19 -32 226 yds 2 td 0int
2009 vs. Ariz. 21 -30 256 yds 1 td 1int
2006 vs Cin. 14 – 19 208 yds 3td 0int
2006 vs. Den 21 -29 275 yds 2 td 0int
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"the big game" is clearly referring to the SB
and those numbers are adequate, but hardly elite numbers.
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If he claimed Ben didn't post "elite" #s in the SB
I would have agreed.
but that’s not the case. He did however say “well” so my point stands.
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Why were you posting stats for non-SBs, then?
and the one SB you did post has him throwing as many INTs as TDs. I don’t think that’s “well”.
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O!! because ..
In that SB he had a 70% completion rate and a 93.5 QB rating. Hence the “well”
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And what about the 2 other SBs besides the one
where he threw a pick 6 not to mention the ill-advised pick into 2 defenders? But I guess in your world, completion percentage trumps multiple picks and an awful 2 minute drive in the 4th that went nowhere against backup DBs.
If you would have read my initial comment , I was talking about SB only which is THE BIG GAME. I did say he played well in playoff games leading up to the SB which you somehow missed since you’re giving me a bunch of stats from non-SB games which are irrelevant to my initial point..
by Icebowler on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Please
debate the importance of Woodson to our defense since you think know so much.
……and BIG GAME refers to SUPER BOWL, which is crystal clear to everyone else reading this, since I’ve referenced games leading up to the SB in the same sentence.
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But that is the thing…the Patriots all season were a joke on defense. They’ve been better but this is a secondary that the Giants should have been able to shred. Your D was impressive against Brady but I was disappointed to see the Giants not do much much more on offense against one of the two worst defenses in the league. You are under the illusion that this is the Patriots of 5 years ago…its not.
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No offense to Giants fans
And I was rooting for the Giants (ask anyone on here) to win this game, BUT, for such a close finish, I found it pretty boring most of the game. The last five minutes made it memorable, however. If any of you go back that far, it kind of reminded me of the Cincy-San Fran superbowl of 1989 which finished 17-13, had a very exciting last minute TD, but was soooo boring before that. Very different from the 2007 NE-Giants Super Bowl which was INCREDIBLY exciting (The David vs Goliath element added a lot to that as well).
Part of the reason for my reaction depends on my expectations. In that Cincy/San fran game, everyone was expecting a high scoring affair. And it turned into trench warfare. THis game, I expected more fireworks from all sides (not just one play of over 25 yards!), but it didn’t come to pass. The 2007 game, we were expecting a blowout and a coronation of the greatest team of all time — and so I probably view it much better because expectations were low….
I agree with the Giants fan above, I think the Manningham catch ranks up there as one of the great catches in Super Bowl history. Jennings catch was great, but Manningham’s was just flat out spectacular, easily top 10 of all-time…
I think the Packers-Steelers Superbowl was probably a slightly better overall Superbowl, as far as exciting big plays. But Pittsburgh never took the lead, so it wasn’t a back and forth affair, as much. We lead from start to finish, and that impacted the drama.
But which one will me most remembered? Probably the Giants-Patriots because those last five minutes provided amazing drama. The Welker drop, the subsequent Manningham catch, the Bradshaw “oops” TD, the last second heave by Brady for a final miracle that wasn’t.
But this is all very subjective — probably depends more on individual personality, personal biases etc, than some objective standard…
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that sanfran cincy superbowl was 20-16… I knew it was a 3 point game going into that final drive, but I thinking it was 13-10 Cincy leading. I remember thinking “we’re going to have our first overtime in SB history” and then Joe Montana, like a cut throat assassin, goes for the jugular, finding John Taylor (or should I say “john candy”, inside joke) in the endzone.
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I didn't find the ending quite as exciting as you did
When Manning started that final drive, there was no doubt in my mind that they were going to score. It was just a matter of whether they were going to get 3 or 7 to take the lead. He had led drives like that all season and he had the confidence of doing it against an even better Pats team in the ‘07 SB. Similarly when Brady got the ball with what, 0:57 left, I had the feeling that there was no possible way the Pats were going to get a TD…it was just a gut feeling based on the whole flow of the game. I felt the same way at the beginning of Pittsburgh’s final drive last year in the SB.
You’re right though…. there is a lot of subjectivity based on personal biases. I thought the low scoring SB with these 2 teams in ’07 was EPIC with the whole David vs Goliath element.
Obviously I was glued to every play
and I usually disagree with the “boring” thing … a scoreless game due to great defense is exciting to me.
But, I think you’re kind of right. At the end of the first half I did say, “that was kind of a boring half.”
It was a pretty pedestrian game, overall, and I could see it being disappointing to those without a rooting interest.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
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I had a rooting interest & it still was boring.
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did you take my advice
and root NFC? I think I mentioned I was rooting for the Packers last year, even though they had trampolined off the Giants’ faces to get there
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 6, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I rooted NFC
Not for the reasons you are thinking though. While it’s nice for the Lombardi trophy to stay in the NFC, I wanted you guys to win for purely selfish reasons.
I thought the first half were not that interesting as well. I like a good defensive performance just as much as I like a good offensive performance, I just thought that both teams played sloppy and missed a bunch of opportunities in the first half.
I did not take any advice from you, that's for sure.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it would seem you would have been happier to take my advice!
But hey, we all gotta pick somebody. I could see myself rooting for the packers again in a SB. In fact, they’re like 1 of maybe 5 teams I don’t dislike at all.
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by Simms-McConkey on Feb 6, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I rooted against the Patriots
and it had nothing to do with your advice.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 6, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Everybody here can vouch for that!
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
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haha
I could have called that.
I rooted against the Patriots too, I just don’t want to see smug Bellichek up there again with his stupid hoodie. I don’t mind Brady but I loathe Belichek.
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I thought it was boring
because neither offense played well and even with that there were only a handful of defensive highlights.
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Feb 6, 2012 4:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Reading some quick analysis of the game
Victor Cruz really struggled getting off the line and beating the press. Now he’ still a young receiver who should be able to learn some tricks to beating the press, but it’s something to think about for next season. Hopefully we go back to a press man coverage team verses the zone coverages we were running this year.
good thing Gisele is not married to Aaron Rodgers...
if she thought the Patriots’ receivers were bad catching the ball last night, she’d have had a heart attack after the Packers-Giants game.
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Give Eli his due!
He’s got one more ring than Favre, Brees or his brother, the same as Elway, and only one less than Tom Terrific. Rarified company. Eli Manning won that game. Maybe its time to put him in his brother’s place in that elite category the talking heads love so much.
The Giants won the game, not Eli.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 6, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
your aware thats not how it works ?
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uh...that's actually how it works
Did the box score say Eli Manning 21-Tom Brady 17 or did it say New York Giants 21-New England Patriots 17?
Da’Rel Scott is a better RB than Adrian Peterson because he won a SB & AP never will?
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LOL !
Well to your 2nd “point” Scott didnt play . QB is the only position that is associated with SB victories.
When the league/Hall of Fame Committee evaluates QBs its very high on their list of accomplishments. Sorry it is what it is.
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What I'm saying is that teams win games
A player who was on a team that won a SB may have contributed to a victory, but no single player ever “wins” the game.
Substitute DJ Ware if you prefer, as he did play. The point remains, though.
When the league/Hall of Fame Committee evaluates QBs its very high on their list of accomplishments. Sorry it is what it is.
So, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler & Brad Johnson obviously will get into the HoF before Dan Marino?
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Did something change where One ring gets u in?
check history 2 rings will .
those QBs dont have the "stats to back up their Victory’s.. not to mention each and every one of them were carried by EPIC Ds!
Marino is the exception to the rule being as he was shredding records at an astronomical rate. and had little to no help. dude did crazy things with out the threat of a run game.. the Committee knows this. Sadly u should too.
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Because Eli Manning singlehandedly won his two SBs...
not to mention each and every one of them were carried by EPIC Ds!
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7th and 29th ranked D's helped him along
fact is the QB position is the only one on the field that gets evaluated differently.. SB Victories are credited to them.. but OF COURSE its a team W!
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So you like to have it both ways
Here its the lowly 29th ranked D helping Eli along.
A few comments below your saying your saying you were really playing with the best D in the NFL over the past 6 games. So what should we believe to set the record straight?
Should we believe this comment immediately above that gives Eli much more credit ……….. OR …………should we believe that you were really playing with the best D in the NFL ,so Eli really didn’t have to do that much to win (since you go on to say that regular season stats mean nothing). I think that we should assume that you were playing with the best D in the NFL and in fact, he was helped along quite nicely as he racked up his whopping 19 points on offense.
He had the 7th and 29th ranked Ds in both SB runs .. (fact)
they played like a top 5 D’s down the stretch .. (fact)
QB is the only position on the field that is evaluated by SB wins (fact)
it gos in the history books as a NY Giant SB win.. (fact)
these are my only points.
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Two rings gets you in? What a bogus line of crap. Go ask Kurt Warner what he thinks:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-57373541-10391697/kurt-warner-eli-manning-not-a-hall-of-famer/
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I stated in the thread that your boy deleted
Eli is not a HoFer.. But in 7 or 8 yrs when he is done he will be…
FYI K Warner is not on the hall of fame committee. every 2 time winning SB winner are in..
on a side note: Eli also ended Warner’s career as a Giant. just sayin.
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who cares if he ended his career as a Giant…his career as a Giant were the “forgotten years” for Warner. He was probably thrilled to get out of there. Who cares if he’s not on the HOF committee…either are you yet you are in here talking like you are! 2 SBs does not get you in.
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I care
Who cares if he’s not on the HOF committee…either are you yet you are in here talking like you are!
I am?
2 SBs does not get you in.
U have to have reg season stats to back it up . Not Dan Marino type stats either ..Jim Plunkett is the only QB with 2 and not in the HoF.. with only 4 seasons out of a 15 yr career with more TDs then INTs will do that.
As i stated up top Eli is not a Hof..YET.
Warner didn’t finish his career as a Giant.. He was benched in favor of Eli after leading the team to a 5-4 record and having a 63% completion pct. Just pointing out KW has never been so kind to Eli.. he could harbor some resentment.. still on this point i agree with him.
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they scored 21 points against the worst defense in the NFL
the Giants’ defense won the game.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
But the Giants had the 29th ranked D and the worse run game in the league.
Funny thing them season stats, they mean little when a team gets healthy ..
last 6 games.
Giants 12.2 pts gm.
Pats 19.4 pts gm.
Giants also avg well over 100 yds rushing the last 6 weeks .
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I don't understand what you're trying to prove here... are you agreeing with me about the defense dominating?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
no ,with your assertion that NE possessed the "worst D in the NFL"
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my npoint being throw out the reg season stats.
especially when down the stretch both teams flipped the scripted.
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okay, I will concede that the Packers' defense was just as bad.
New England’s D is still bottom 2 any way you slice it.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
NE was the 3rd worst total passing defense of all time.
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clearly u missed my point all together
Giants had the 29 ranked D during the season and 1st ranked the last 6 games .. 13 pts a game.
Once the Pats changed to more of a 34 their D improved 10 fold..
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Tenfold ....... better?
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The offense helped
The Giants had 8 possessions, not counting the kneel down to end the half. The shortest one was 2:49, the last one. 6 of the 8 drives were over 4 minutes and 3 of those were over 5. All of them were between 7 and 10 plays. They may not have scored a lot of points, but they gained almost 400 yards and had just over 37 minutes of possession. They kept Brady on the sideline. They got at least 2 first downs on every drive.
I think the offense deserves plenty of credit. Maybe not as much as the defense but still a fair amount of it.
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Once he can have two great seasons in row he can be in there. The guy is as inconsistant as they come. His stats don’t back up your claim either. The Giants won, Eli had a nice game but nothing spectacular that would make someone say that HE won it. I would actually say the running game as much responsible as anything else.
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There are very few QBs that put #s up that rivil Eli's in this SB.
maybe 10.
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Are you talking about past SB performances by a QB?
Or are you talking about QBs in the league now?
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past.
statistically Eli’s #s in the SB were among the best .
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Aaron Rodgers put up better numbers in the Super Bowl just a year ago
against the NFL’s top defense, despite 7 or 8 dropped passes.
Just saying.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
to bad the league dont count drops..
Eli was 2nd in the league in drops.
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but yes he did.
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In what world is:
296>304
1>3
19>24
103.7>111.5
7.40>7.79
7.90>9.33
2011 NE defense>2010 Pit defense
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Aaron Rodgers put up better numbers in the Super Bowl just a year ago
yes he did.
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Ah, okay, I was thinking "he" referred to Manning.
My mistake.
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Perhaps volume-wise
XLVI: 7.1 ypa; 1 TD/0 Int; 101.1 rating
I: 10.9 ypa; 2 TD/1 Int; 116.2 rating
II: 8.4 ypa; 1 TD/0 Int; 96.2 rating
VI: 6.6 ypa; 2 TD/0 Int; 122.2 rating
VIII: 10.4 ypa; 0 TD/0 Int; 110.1 rating
X: 11.0 ypa; 2 TDs/0 Int; 122.5 rating
XI: 9.5 ypa; 1 TD/0 Int; 111.7 rating
XII: 7.3 ypa; 1 TD/0 Int; 102.6 rating
XIII: 10.6 ypa; 4 TDs/1 Int; 119.2 rating & 7.6 ypa; 3 TDs/1 Int; 100.4 rating
XIV: 14.7 ypa; 2 TDs/3 Ints; 101.9 rating
XV: 12.4 ypa; 3 TDs/0 Int; 145.0 rating
That’s for the 1st 15 Super Bowls. I could go on, but I think that’s enough to make the point.
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Eli 30 -40 296yds 75.0 % 1 - 0 103.8 rating.
I guess my point is the statement that Eli wasn’t worthy of the MVP.. which is clearly untrue.
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Where in the world did I or anyone in this thread of comments say that Eli wasn’t worthy of the SB MVP? Are you just making shit up now so you can be right even if no one was arguing otherwise?
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in the thread that your boy deleated...
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So to back it up…it was a nice game.
He threw for under 300 yards, 1 TD, no picks, had around a 100 QB rating. It was a nice game. Not a spectacular game. No where near Eli’s best. He was playing against a middle of the road (and that is being VERY generous to the Patriots) defense who have allowed a ton of yards. I don’t think it was that impressive and certainly not one of the most impressive in SB history. He earned the MVP though because no one on his team had a spectacular game. The QB is the default unless someone else outshines him (a la Desmond Howard in the Packers SB against the Patriots).
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Maybe not in the world of a Packer fan thats spoiled by MR Double Check (or a hater),
but in the real world (by that I mean any analyst on NFL Network) it was a great QB performance.
Eli 30 -40 296yds 75.0 % 1 – 0 103.8 rating. if a QB post a 100 rating it is a great game. unless of course u throw only 15 balls.
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Tuck and Nicks had great games as well.
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Not MVP great though. They were nice games but you have to have a crazy impactful game to take it away from the starting QB of the winning team. Its not a dig on Eli really, its just a fact. Just like the MVP award is almost always a QB.
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If you need a full wrap-up,
this video does a pretty good job:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrt1LuXxjTE
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