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The NFL Offseason Has Begun

Here are some key dates coming up as the offseason gets underway for the Green Bay Packers.

February 20 through March 5 is when they can apply the franchise tag.

February 22 through 28 is the NFL combine.

Free agency begins on March 13.

The next big news story will be whether the Packers will use the franchise tag at all. Possible candidates for the franchise tag are Matt Flynn, Jermichael Finley, Scott Wells, and Jarrett Bush.

I'm kidding about Jarrett. I just wanted to see if you're paying attention.

Actually, the only player who might get the franchise tag is Finley. Dreams of a tag-and-trade deal involving Flynn are probably a long-shot because the tag would cost around $14 million and wreck the Packers salary cap in the short-term (i.e. they'd have to start releasing players immediately). If Finley stays at the tight end designation, which is another story if he insists on being considered a wide receiver, the franchise tag should be around $6 million for a tight end.

Wells isn't likely to be tagged either because centers are usually paid less than other offensive lineman, but for purposes of the franchise tag, all offensive lineman are lumped together and he would cost close to $10 million. Since I expect he'll receive a long-term deal for between $5 to $6 million per season, the franchise tag would be excessive and he might even be tempted to sign the one-year offer.

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I wouldn't oppose it

but I don’t necessarily think it’s the best course of action. And it’s not that likely, considering their management style. Considering the lack of holes on the team overall, and that they aren’t likely to lose any key contributors unless they let Finley go, I think it’s much more likely they trade up and take a premier pass rusher then use the rest of their picks to fill out the linebacking corps, replace Bush (if they don’t re-sign him), and find a new QB project for McCarthy and Clements to play with.

But I’ve been wrong on Thompson’s draft strategies before.

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

The only thing worse than making a mistake is overcompensating to recover from that mistake. Jenkins is being cut for a reason.

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by JSOnline Castaway on Feb 6, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Only if he's a bargain

He was cut for a reason but if the price is way down, those reasons don’t matter that much.

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by TrevorR on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think the Eagles FO is being dumb

I know plenty of Eagle fans who want the team to keep Jenkins. If the Packers can sign him to a 1-2 year deal, they should do it, if only to have someone to play the end position while Neal learns how to play effectively.

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by ThroughBeingCool on Feb 7, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

We have to

…find a way to franchise Flynn. We are talking about a potential friggin’ first rounder people!!!

*eyes Woodson’s gargantuan $11 million contract next year

Jarrett Bush is God

by PackFaninFL on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, cut Woodson to re-sign Flynn.

You’re a genius.

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by arodgb on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Not only Flynn, but Bush, too!

Jarrett Bush will be so much more valuable than Charles Woodson…

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by Wiedmann on Feb 6, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I even hint...

at us cutting Woodson? I was thinking of doing a contract restructuring…if Aaron Rodgers is making 8 million a year, can’t Charles Woodson take a 5 or 6 million dollar pay cut?

Pathetic.

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by PackFaninFL on Feb 6, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Why the hell would he do that?

He played as the second best corner in the NFL last year, and you’re suggesting he take a pay cut? What if he refuses? Do we cut him? Just an idiotic statement, altogether.
And yes

*eyes Woodson’s gargantuan $11 million contract next year

That would qualify as ‘hinting’ at cutting him.

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by arodgb on Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Um
If Finley stays at the tight end designation, which is another story if he insists on being considered a wide receiver

No, wide receivers usually catch the balls that are thrown at them. At least as a tight end, there’s an excuse for having brick hands.

by vitaminx on Feb 6, 2012 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

I heard that if Finley doesn't get tagged as a WR

he is going to work this off-season to recoup the money as a stonemason

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by uofmike on Feb 6, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

How realistic is that Finley might try to have himself designated a WR?

It would seem to be a stretch for him to do this. I think it would mark him as a problem for any team that would want to sign him. His options would probably become more limited, not more expansive. I don’t know, but it seems like it would be an unwise move.

by MikeDB on Feb 6, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

Q: How many WR line up with a hand on the ground, next to a lineman?

A: None.

But Finley does. Why? Because Finley is a TE. Just because he plays all over the place doesn’t make him a WR. It makes him a versatile TE.

The next time I see Jennings line up with his hand on the ground, I’ll revisit this argument.

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by JSOnline Castaway on Feb 6, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve read that it’ll depend on how much he lined up as a “receiver” as compared to a “tight end”. That being said, I really hope he doesn’t try and push that too hard.

And really, I hope it doesn’t get to the point where we don’t have to tag him. I know he wants to paid big money and if he had a big season then I wouldn’t have a problem with it — but he didn’t. His season just good, and too me, that means he should get a just “good” contract. Maybe something like 4 years $20-24M.

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by packallday555 on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

My Flynn Plan:

Here is how we WILL Franchise-Tag Flynn:

Woodson must restructure: 5 million

Aj Hawk MUST be cut: 5.5 million

Donald Driver MUST be cut: 5 million

Chad Clifton MUST be cut: 5.7 million

James Jones MUST be cut: 4 million

That’s 25 million in cap space. Plus we have about 7 million all ready. That’s 32 million in cap space.

Now the fun begins:

First) Tag FLynn …. 14 million.

Second) Sign Wells 4 million.

Third) Sign Bush, 2.5 million,

Fourth) Trade Flynn to Dolphins for their 1st round pick (8th overall or whatever) and a 3rd rounder.

And here is the big one:

Fifth) sign MARIO WILLIAMS FOR 12 MILLION!!!!! HE’S OUR NEXT REGGIE WHITE!!!

Jarrett Bush is God

by PackFaninFL on Feb 6, 2012 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

On point number 5...

Not gonna happen. He’s not gonna hit free agency. But if it were to happen, that would be a very bittersweet moment for me.

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by RaY210 on Feb 6, 2012 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Woodson doesn't need a paycut to make that work

Just a salary restructure, make it worth his while by offering $1 million pay increase overall spanning the next two years.

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by JSOnline Castaway on Feb 6, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d love to sign Mario Williams as well, but I think the Texans may use the franchise tag on him.

Even if they don’t, why ask the 2009 DPOY to take a major paycut? I’ll take Woodson (who was overtaxed this year) anyday. James Jones? Just the tip of the iceberg for this kid, I’m sticking with him and I fully expect AJ Hawk to improve all-around (I know, I’m an optimist). As for Wells, he’ll sign for more than $4m and Bush for less than $2.5m as well as Driver (if he doesn’t retire). And where’s Finley in all of this? Rodgers made it quite clear than he wants him back next year.

Mario Williams is a pipe dream that most likely won’t happen. But we’ll see as it would be nice to see the Packers spend a little at the UFA buffet.

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by hawks61 on Feb 6, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Finley is gone in my scenario… 11 drop passes this year, 5th worst in the league…He’s a goner.

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Here is Mario, getting two sacks as a linebacker in the 3-4 Defense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40gXQLrfJy8

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by PackFaninFL on Feb 6, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Lance Armstrong had better ideas than this...

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by Wiedmann on Feb 6, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Do you have any idea how the fuck the NFL works?

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by arodgb on Feb 6, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

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by Rendezvous on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF have you been smokin?

For one, Woodson makes 11.5 mil this season and 6.5 the next two. So while its possible he may be willing to lighten his contract a little, I wouldn’t count on it since he’s already taking a 5 mil pay cut for 2013 and 2014. Also, cut JJ and Hawk? You do realize they just resigned them last year right? Hawk is better than his replacement and if you cut Driver along with JJ you’re left with 2 proven WR, a 2nd year up and comer, and two completely unproven guys, which won’t exactly strike fear into the hearts of opposing secondaries. As for signing Mario Williams, I don’t know what it is but I keep getting Albert Haynesworth vibes from the guy like he’s going to pack it in once he gets paid. I could be wrong but thats the feeling I get from him. Finally, enough of the tag and trade Flynn crap. It ain’t gonna happen because its too risky to even attempt it. If they tag him, they have virtually no leverage whatsoever to trade him because every team knows it will hamstring us to hold onto him. Thats not a gamble a well run team makes.

by Bezerkers on Feb 6, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry dude

We must have been typing simultaneously and had exactly the same ideas as you’ll see immediately below. I’ve never had that happen before. Pretty funny.

by Icebowler on Feb 6, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with most of this

but I live in Houston, and Williams has played with intensity his entire career down here. He’s a laid back, down to earth guy. He’s nothing like Haynesworth. He was the #1 overall pick, so he’s already had a monster payday. I don’t see him getting another payday contract taking anything away from his play. For the most part, he’s been the heart of the Texans D.

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by TXPackerBacker on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

What? (he says as he spits his drink out over his keyboard)

I guess its not too preposterous.

Just ask the heart and soul of your D make less than half of what he’s scheduled to make this year.

Just cut 2 players (Hawk and Jones) that you deemed worthy of multi-year deals within the past year. Sure TT will hold a team meeting and say “yeah, sorry guys I screwed up on a few players and I need to make things right by cutting them. We’ll take it in the shorts for the rest of their guaranteed contract money but it’ll be worth it in the long run”.

Tell Finley to hit the road so the Bears pick him up before he has time to pack his bags.

And our leverage with Flynn is what when we do this?

Its all making sense now

by Icebowler on Feb 6, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank God that our GM is TT,

and not PFiF!

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by NorthStarr on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Good one Pat! : )

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by BirdDogUni on Feb 7, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike Sherman woulda done this in a heartbeat!

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"

After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by NorthStarr on Feb 6, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

but but but

it’s not trading up for a punter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by packermussupreme on Feb 6, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Another good one Pat! : )

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by BirdDogUni on Feb 7, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I could see Clifton and Driver being cut but Jones and Hawk won’t be. They were both just signed to new contracts last season. I doubt Woodson restructures either. His play over his new contract thus far has warranted him being paid what he has and is going too.

No way we sign Williams. He’s going to get interest from a lot of teams which means his price gets bid up. That will scare Thompson away from him for sure, imo.

I agree we need to find an OLB but that can be done in the draft. It may require us trading up but that’s fine, imo. We’ll have gotten compensatory picks for Jenkins and Flynn, so we’ll some extra picks to work with. Plus, this a team that’s already young and already has a strong core. It’s not like giving up a 2nd or 3rd is going to do us in.

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by packallday555 on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Clifton and Driver..

Are in there mid 30’s, which means they have been in decline for a couple years… Hawk and Jones are in their late 20’s, which means they are in the Prime of their careers. Which means they stay thru their current contract and get repaced when it runs out or near the end of it! Cliffy and Drivers Packer careers are Done!

Mario Williams is beyond a pipedream! NEVER happen and to even bother talking about it is a complete waste of time!

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by Strohman on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

woh woh woh…the #8 pick and a third? We’ll be lucky to even get the #8 pick from the Dolphins.

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by TrevorR on Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

This has already been eviscerated enough, but...

Where are you getting those salary figures? They’re completely inaccurate. According to Rotoworld:

AJ Hawk: 2012 salary – $4.4MM, with a $6.4MM penalty if he is cut (net $2MM- savings)
Chad Clifton: 2012 salary – $5.25MM, $0 penalty to cut (net $5.25MM savings)
Donald Driver: 2012 salary – $2.6MM, $0 penalty to cut (net $2.6MM savings)
James Jones: 2012 salary – $2.3MM, $1MM penalty to cut (net $1.3MM savings)

So if they cut all of those guys (which they won’t), they would only stand to save $7.15MM off of the 2012 salary cap. Clifton and Driver are the only two who have no deferred signing bonus, which counts immediately against the cap in the event the player is cut. Hawk’s signing bonus share is more than his 2012 salary, meaning the team would cost themselves cap space by cutting him.

So, yeah, no, this is a bad plan.

by mpbMKE on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Driver also has 2.4 mil in bonuses if they retain him.

I think thats where the 5 mil comes from. I’m not sure where the others came from.

by Bezerkers on Feb 8, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

JFin as a WR?

Tori Gurley is 6’5" and runs a little bit faster 40, but not as physical as Finley. Most likely would have less drops though. If JF wants to get paid as a 3rd-5th string WR, I’m all for it. I feel more comfortable having an effective proven passrusher in FA than paying this man for one more year, to have him jump ship. If he has a good year, worth resigning after the Franchise tag year, he will want an insane contract anyways. Either we sign him to a contract now or franchise to trade. I really feel he is an awesome weapon, but at what price? The more we pay Finley the more the WR will become discontent with their smaller contracts and more production. TT pays for value, hopefully we can tender JF a reasonable contract.

by Isadas on Feb 7, 2012 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

This is Exactly why he is going nowhere!

I really feel he is an awesome weapon,

He is Young and he is a WEAPON! That makes him a game changing player that teams have to game plan for. Which is why he isn’t going anywere… You just don’t let young playmakers go… Scott Wells is a good Center, but he is just a guy… A guy teams don’t have to game plan for, which is why I am now of the opinion that Thompson lets him walk. Wells is just a guy, who will be replaced fairly easily, but Finley is a young playmaker that teams should not let go.

Make all you want of his drops this year, and he had too many, but the coaches even say he has the best hands on the team, and he has NEVER had trouble catching the ball before (ZERO drops in 4 games in ‘10). His hands are fine, he’s a playmaker that teams have to gameplan for and he is young! Those are 3 VERY good reasons he should stay and the only reason he should go is cuz THIS year he dropped too many passes, but that won’t be anything but a one year abberation!

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by Strohman on Feb 7, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I get what you are saying, but we have a tendency to take less than amazing guys and turn good players into regular contributors. I’ll personally take 2 consistent great players over 1 amazing hit and miss talent (Moss, Owens, Johnson, etc. All amazing talents). Consistency is more valuable IMO. I can see your point of view here and respect it, as it is easily debatable. Just my feelings on the matter. We’ll find out, never soon enough though :p Can’t wait for April…

by Isadas on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Consistent guys vs. Explosive guys

In the NFL, you need both. But without explosive guys, your offense stagnates. You get first downs, long drives still end in touchdowns, but your scoring suffers because no one is there to expose a defense’s weakness. When your offense is built to strike fiercely, which is MM’s philosophy, then you don’t give up on tremendous talent.

by mpbMKE on Feb 7, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

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