Where were you?
OK, the football season is done and Green Bay is left with a huge gaping hole of "what could have been". My question, (and this was meant for fun, so don't freak out) even though the Packers played very well this year, and we sat back and watched them add W after W. It is natural for someone to see (or hear) something that starts that little ticking in the back of your mind, the one that says, "I kind of don't like the way things are going". Now with the type of season the Packers just had, it was easy to let that little tick, drift away, once the ball got rolling at the next game. I know many people will talk about the defense had them questioning all year. I for one was not in that crowd, believe it or not, I was stupid enough to spend the entire season thinking Capers was holding them back, wasn't deploying all those magnificent plays he had unleashed last year, until the time was right. I mean we had basically the same defense (minus one player) so how could we not be as good as last year. I swore to people right and left that we were just playing possum, and trying to make other teams think we were having defensive problems. But anyway back to my question, what were some of those times during the season that made you stop and think for a minute, and was there a time when you said, now I have some real worries?
I will track mine. My first glitch came in the beginning of the season with the Hawk "finger expression". Not that he did it (I honestly believed that he didn't think about which finger he was showing, or that TV would capture it) but more about his explanation. "It’s a team joke, and we are showing each other the next finger for our rings". That was my first little twinge of "are we putting the cart before the horse". My next moment of reflection was the Rams game. Not that I thought they played terrible, I truly enjoyed the first half and watching what seemed like scoring at will. No it crept in during the 2nd half as I sat and thought, how are the RAMS keeping us scoreless in the 2nd half? That was my first thought that we might be getting a little full of ourselves to be able to take our foot off the gas like that. Now this brings me to the one I think many will put down as their first time of wonder, the KC game. Now the KC game in and of itself did not bother me (I mean only 2 other teams have ever won all of their regular season games, your actually more likely to lose one somewhere than not). No what bothered me was that was the first time that instead of listening to Packer interviews and hearing "we are not worried about undefeated, we are just concentrating on the next opponent", I actually heard some Packers saying "yeah, going undefeated would be nice". I know I'm going to get tore apart for that one, I can't remember actually what I heard in that interview, although I remember who said it, but I got the feeling that some players were actually starting to look ahead and think about "UNDEFEATED". So those were my cringes, the only time I really got an "I feel some trouble" was leading up to the game against the Giants. It just seemed all that week, listening to sports radio and everything, all I heard was "Giants, Giants, Giants". In the end, when it came to picking winners at the end the week every one of them said Green Bay, but all week all I heard was "if I had to pick one team for the upset this week, it would be New York".. So much so that I spent a lot of time yelling back at my radio, were we not 15 - 1.
So those were mine, just curious if anybody else had any of those feelings during the season, and if you did when were they!
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The first time I thought there might be problems..
was the TB game. They had just come off the domination of the Vikings and they came into that game and let the atrocious Bucs hang around the whole game. It could’ve been they were looking ahead to the Lions a little bit, but I saw a disinterested team in that one, which is the same feeling I got watching the playoff game.
I can tell you exactly when I realized our D was screwed.
When I realized that, wow, lining up our D-backs 10 yards off the line of scrimmage is actually part of our scheme now. When you hand out uncontested first down, you don’t have a chance in hell.
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i was screaming this at the top of my lungs as well
pretty much the whole year, and people were constantly sarcasticaly saying, “yeah, it’s been working fantastically so far.” If you give guys no pressure off the start of their routes, you have to rely on some miscommunication, poor throw, or pass rush to get the turnovers. for the most part, miscommunication only happens once in a while, poor throws don’t happen very often, and our pass rush didn’t do much at all except in clay’s pick 6 against giants part one. it’s amazing we had so many turnovers considering.
so the wr’s were just running free, and it probably felt like training camp to the qb’s and wr’s. if you look at the teams that were able to beat us, they made no beef about it. 1- play tight bump and run coverage and 2- get after the qb. #1 makes quick throws difficult, #2 makes longer routes difficult.
I think we actually beat up on a lot of teams offensively who were intimidated by our offense. They played soft in the defensive backfield and we had our way with them. St. Louis 2nd half played tighter man, the chiefs played tight man, the giants played tight man. St. Louis shut us out in the 2nd half, the chiefs hit rodgers a lot and showed the path to victory, the giants took advantage of our mistakes and made us look like fools.
where are the people who were making those sarcastic remarks now?
by Nels Winkler on Feb 10, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
I don't believe this was ever said
“It’s a team joke, and we are showing each other the next finger for our rings”
All I heard was that it was an inside joke; nothing about SB rings or anything like that.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Yes it was
I don’t have time to look up and post, and if you don’t think it was you have your right, but in our paper it has Hawk quoted a saying that.
Not buying it for a second!
First I SERIOUSLY doubt thats what Hawk was thinking… And I know thats not what he said… He would have been crucified in the media if he said anything remotely close! He said it was an inside joke only… And IIRC, it was amongst the LB only.
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You have the right to believe something or not
But I really don’t have any reason to lie here.
Couldn't find anything about it searching for "aj hawk middle finger ring"
I did find this article which asserts he was flipping off fans who were heckling him:
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/aj_hawk_gives_a_fan_the_finger/7455535
This should teach you to not believe everything you read…
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
I felt we were going to have issues all year once Cam Newton threw for 400 on the secondary in Week 2.
It made me furious when they didn’t truly adjust for opposing passing games and insisted on blitzing 4 with Matthews getting constant double teams. I felt like Capers was perfectly content with winning games 42-27 if the D made a few big plays (CM3’s INT TD against NYG the first time around). That was playing with disaster, however, and they got to 15-1 despite one of the worst secondaries in terms of yards and points allowed in NFL history.
If the offense ever let the team down, the Packers were going to be in for a rough, rough game. There were definitely flickers of that in Carolina, when the O couldn’t get much going in the 2nd half and the D made Newton pay for his bad passes, and in TB when the Packers didn’t truly blow open a game against a team that was falling apart. When the O struggled against KC, not even a pretty solid defensive effort could win that game. When NYG flipped the turnover margin in the playoffs and the Packer O ceased to exist for large stretches of the game, Green Bay was doomed.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 PM CST reply actions
That Was the Signal...
…that the Packers’ D was in deep trouble. No knock on Newton, but I knew then that the Packers were a one-dimensional team, and that the game plan would have to be based on outscoring the opposition.
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That's also where Collins went down
And that’s when I started saying “Oh, shit, we’re in trouble.”
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All I know is that I had many arguments in here with people who wanted me to stop saying we weren’t in trouble with our defense. I was worried early in first quarter of the season. I expected us to be shredded by Brees and the Saints but when it kept happening I realized something was REALLY wrong.
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Pat yourself on the back...
but it was practically the same D, without any major turnover outside of Cullen. WockaWocka.
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
Well lets see Barnett left, Jenkins left, Collins got hurt, but that wasn’t even the point…not sure why the wocka wocka…are you Fozzy? Same players doesn’t always equal same results, maybe 2010 was a fluke, maybe 2011 was a fluke…we’ll see soon!
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by TrevorR on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we just found out that Jenkins was perhaps more valuable then many thought. The pressure we were able to get in 2010 was what made our defense as good as it was, imo. You look around the league at the best defenses, and the one constant is that they all get consistent pressure. This season, we just could never do that — even when we blitzed.
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by packallday555 on Feb 10, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Getting pressure with the front 3 DL is huge.
We just couldn’t do it without Jenkins and with Neal once again absent for an entire year.
What scares me is that Neal has played in a grand total of 9 games (out of 20 possible in 2010 and 17 this year). When is he going to be healthy? IS he going to be healthy?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 10, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I sure hope so. I think we’ll see this next season. From what I’ve read, and from what Neal has said, he wasn’t at 100% when came back last season. Hopefully the time off allows that knee to heal.
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by packallday555 on Feb 10, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
no, it wasn't the same defense
not in philosophy anyways. if you look at last year’s playoff run, you’ll see tramon playing tighter to the wr. you’ll see shields playing tighter to the wr. they fought with those guys and didn’t surrender yards to them. i’m not sure who decided to sit off them, but it was a terrible idea.
by Nels Winkler on Feb 10, 2012 7:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think it had to do with the lack of pressure. I agree that we still should have let those guys play predominantly press man (I mean, we knew they’d get burned in zone so what does it matter if they get burned in man?) but the lack of pressure – and probably Burnett gambling too much – probably scared Capers away from it.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 10, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
WHat are you talking about?
“It’s a team joke, and we are showing each other the next finger for our rings”.
It was an inside joke, IIRC among the LB’s… But I VERY seriously doubt it was anything to do w/ the next finger for a ring! I have no idea how you come to that conclusion and it was never mentioned as such… I don’t think it had anything whatsoever to do w/ the next ring finger.
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I think it was more of a "Fuck you, I can get a sack" kind of thing.
I very much doubt it had to do with rings.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
I never heard anything about the ring…and I am sure that would have gotten some big press because they LOVE those kinds of bulletin board material.
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by TrevorR on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
Did not intend to get you all upset. I’m pretty sure I remember seeing something like that somewhere, I didn’t just make it up in my mind, but who knows (wherever I saw it) if it was a something that was printing truth or something they thought. My point was to talk to people about where they had misgivings about the last season, not to start an fight over if something was said or not. Again sorry if it Upset you.
WHat makes you think I was upset?
Now your not so sure, before you said you did… Backtracking a little it seems. I would say you made up your own mind why he did it w/o knowing or reading. And clearly I’m not the only one who doubts your assertion!
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You know Stro, you really are an ass.
This was just meant to be a friendly conversation and you jump all over on thing I said. I’m not backing off, I saw something and repeated it, like I said, I have no reason to lie. I really enjoy coming in hear and reading what fellow Packer fans have to say. You for one (this is not the first time) are one of the few people I can’t stand to read. Your are obnoxious and you jump all over people with your so called “wisdom”. It is people like you who make a fun conversation into a pain in the ass. You just can’t stand when someone else has a different opion then you.
by ShawnH on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I didn't say you lied...
I said you saw something and made up your mind w/o knowing anything! Weid googled it and found nothing in regards to it being for a ring. So that means it didn’t exist and does mean you made up you mind before anything was probably written on the subject.
Poor little baby… Big bad Stroh made you all huffy and you can’t take it! I pointed out that you were incorrect about the finger and you have a hissy fit! Like I said, I’m not upset here you are. Too bad you can’t accept being wrong. When you can find anything to support your theory let us know.
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Know you ass
I didn’t get into a hussy, I just stated that I’ve seen you ruin perfectly good conversations before. It’s not poor little baby, I really don’t give a crap what you think. I stated my point, you said not right, I said sorry and YOU jumped all over me. As stated before this not the first time I have come in here and watched you be an ass to someone, I guess it makes you feel like a big man, to be little peple who you don’t know over the internet. And for the information, you did say I lied, “I would say you made up your own mind why he did it w/o knowing or reading” that in itself you jerk, is calling someone a liar. This is why any time I see your name attached to anything, I stay away, you are selfcenter, egotistical and probobly why half the time I come in here, I see people fighting with you, because you fight over nothing at all so you can feel important. JERK!
Never jumped all over you!
Not even a little. Stated I’ve never reead it anywhere and said I thought you made up your mind w/o reading, or maybe seeing a speculative comment somewhere and agreed w/ it. But Weid did google it and couldn’t find any hits on it, and you decided that that meant I jumped all over you. I don’t feel important by posting comments on here! I come here to express my opinions and thoughts on the Packers. Suddenly you can’t come back w/ a reasonable conversation or make a reasonable argument about the findings and you don’t like it so you call me names or say I’m fighting w/ you. Whatever!!! Seems like the Jerk is you… Go away, stay away all the same to me!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 16, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Are you speaking from experience?
I kid, I kid.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 16, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
It was probably just speculation by someone.
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I've had enough of your snide insinuations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RMFwzoxCUM
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 10, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
does it age me if I say I have NO clue what that is from?
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Week 2 - Nick Collins/Tramon Williams Injurys
After watching our defense give up big numbers against the Saints, I knew that we had to count on the secondary to stay healthy and hold their own. Starting the year, I know that our secondary was the type of players that dared you to throw on them.
After the Tramon Williams injury and then watching Collins go down, you knew defenses would pick on the newer guys, which they did. Tramon came back but wasn’t the same type of player though. Hopefully this offseason gives us a healthy Collins and the Tramon we know.
Thank you for your comments
To most of the people who commented on here. Just wanted to get an idea how others where feeling. Sorry if some of my comments seem to send others off the deep end, I really just wanted to talk, it wasn’t meant to start a huge deal.
No big.
I enjoyed the read.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 15, 2012 1:32 AM CST up reply actions
If you like when someone
starts calling others names cuz they can’t have a reasonable discussion… Don’t see how that is entertaining, sad maybe, not entertaining.
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this dude cannot let it go
yea stroh!
aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!
by b3nihana on Feb 15, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No problem.
W-L wise, this was a wildly successful seasons. But behind the box scores…things weren’t so rosy as they seemed.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 16, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I had a sneaking suspicion most of the second half of the year
Never seemed like we could really close teams out (except the crap teams that we blew out like Min, Oak, StL) – even mediocre teams like Carolina and San Diego were allowed to hang around and several teams that had no business being in games had legit shots to beat us in the 4th Q.
reasons…
1 – severe regression of the pass D – little to no pass rush, confusion of assignments and schemes, as well as the performance of individual players dropping a notch or two.
2 – the maddening habit of the O to take their foot off the gas once they get up two scores. I don’t know if it’s conservative play calls or just a mental thing, but I was always terrified to get too big a lead because it seemed like the offense quit a bit.

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